*** The Official Nokia 808 PureView Thread ***

[sarge78]

if the average DSLR needs no more than 14-21MP, then a phone sure as hell needs no more than 12MP.

Astonishing how many people fail to read the details.

It's essentially a 5-8MP camera, the rest is reserved for lossless zooming (4x when recording 1080p) and 7:1 pixel sampling (no usual bayer pattern RGB colour interpolation, sharper, less noise etc)

It's a huge step forward for thin devices that can't equip big optical zoom lenses.

Yes we should Sarge but 1st and foremost Nokia is a business that needs to return a profit otherwise these advances are pointless.

Look at all the press coverage and hype it's getting, even on the BBC. Everyone seems to be raging for some reason or another, I think they're just jealous it has more MPs than their expensive dSLR!

 

[IamMed]

You can manually cache 10 square miles of map tiles and up to 10 of those IIRC but route calcs just fill up the default map tile cache as normal. My map tile cache was 120 odd MB until I cleared it all out when switching ROMs.

Could've sworn is was 20 lol, has been awhile since I've used googlemaps though as I sold my X10 before christmas while it was still worth something

Currently using an iPhone 3g running iOS4 as a stop gap till contracts up in June/July, that phone makes my N8 feel really quick

 

[Scougar]

Which is precisely what they wanted sarge78 (And yes, I see that's what you're saying )

Extra pixels doesn't necessarily mean a better picture though (And yes I've understood how it works). A decent 3MP camera can wup a crap 8MP in picture quality for example.

 

[Robbo]

symbian may not be better than android, but i hate iOS for many reasons to list. if nokia had put android on this i would buy it, but my next phone will most likely be a budget orange smartphone when they make one with a decent camera, seriously the nokia n8 does everything i want it to do so and i dont see me upgrading for a long time, because i have no need to upgrade.

i am not one of these idiots who wastes money on buying a new phone every year, i buy a new phone when i need a new one, not when i want a new one.

much like those geeks who must have the latest GPU, my 4850 is still doing me well, when it can no longer do what i want, i will buy a bang for buck card which can.

people who always buy the latest tech are sheep, they follow the masses, you do not buy a new lawn mower every year, do you? no you buy a new one when the old one breaks or is no longer fit for purpose.

Oh Sonny, your thinly veiled insults do you no credit.

I buy what I want, when I want, simply because I can. It's a shame you can't do the same, because if you could - I'm sure you would.

As for you calling the N8 sat nav 'the best', it's actually quite poor. It works, but it's incredibly slow at times and I really didn't like using it. Almost everyone has a data plan now and can uphold enough coverage for Google maps to work without issue, and that more or less wipes the floor with Ovi.

Do you do the same with your car? Run it into the ground because it still works and you can't justify getting a new one? That kind of attitude is bizarre and usually pulled out by people such as yourself when they're losing an argument. I've seen it all too often.

 

["andy"]

Astonishing how many people fail to read the details.

sums up this whole thread

 

[IamMed]

As for you calling the N8 sat nav 'the best', it's actually quite poor. It works, but it's incredibly slow at times and I really didn't like using it.

Best "free" sat nav would be more accurate, I agree it isn't without it's flaws.

One feature they have missed out which really bugs me is the option of adding a "via" option in the phone software, can only be added by using the website.

Another is when you have a custom route it doesn't allow you to skip any, I had some issues with mine recently losing GPS signal and when it returned I had to restart the route, slight problem as it wanted me to drive 40miles to the start point

 

[Columbo]

Look at all the press coverage and hype it's getting, even on the BBC. Everyone seems to be raging for some reason or another, I think they're just jealous it has more MPs than their expensive dSLR!

Nobody is raging about the camera tech in here at all, well not those that have read what the tech consists of anyway, the raging is everything to do with its delivery.

Nokia have gone and given this handset no chance at all by sticking Symbian on the front of it. Nokia already know that as well otherwise they wouldn't have killed Symbian.

 

[IamMed]

Nobody is raging about the camera tech in here at all, well not those that have read what the tech consists of anyway, the raging is everything to do with its delivery.

Nokia have gone and given this handset no chance at all by sticking Symbian on the front of it. Nokia already know that as well otherwise they wouldn't have killed Symbian.

To quote my self previously in the thread:

It does seem odd that they would put this camera onto another Symbian device, could Microsoft be preventing them with there WP7 requirements/restrictions?

Nokia must know that this camera coupled with a more popular OS would be a much bigger success?

 

[Wizzfizz]

proving you can't really polish a poo

Actually you can

 

[dbmzk1]

I see no point in this without Android or even Windows. It's just a complete and total waste.

Nice camera though

 

[Scougar]

Actually you can

I think the term is "no, but you can sprinkle glitter on it"

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

wtf does it matter if its Symbian?

honestly Symbian Belle can do anything any other phone can do, but people like Robbo will say it "feels" slower, etc which is just a bunch of crap tbh.

sure my nokia N8 may not open app's instantly, but neither does my ipod touch of similar age.

im pretty sure this phone will be fast and Symbian Belle is practically the same as android, just not as many apps (many of which are a load of crap).

it also has the best free offline sat nav available.

now let me get this straight:

emails - yes
camera - best of the best
sat nav - best of the best
android like OS - yes

seriously what more could you want? you do not need a dual core cpu on a phone, not yet anyway

The hardware's rubbish bar the camera, with a rubbish resolution, rubbish os and
rubbish ovi store. I honestly thought nokia had learnt from their past mistakes and turned a new leaf.

 

[Amp34]

If I had to describe this phone briefly:
£498 camera, £2 smartphone.

That camera is utterly astonishing. The image quality is rivalling that of dedicated cameras worth ~£500. Nokia should start making cameras tbh, they've got potential.

The operating system and hardware is just terrible though. If this phone was running Android, I reckon they'd sell 10 times more handsets. Why they're still insisting on Symbian is beyond my comprehension.

I'd agree with that. The sensor itself is pretty good but the resolution of the lens itself seems to be stunning from the images I've seen. Even on a Canon L lens at 40+MP I'd be expecting some softness at 100% and the lens on the phone is pretty damn sharp. Just a shame it isn't running WP7 and the screen is a port resolution...

 

[Psycho Sonny]

"...much like those geeks who must have the latest GPU, my 4850 is still doing me well, when it can no longer do what i want, i will buy a bang for buck card which can"


- Pyscho Sonny, ICS'd HP touchpad owner.

i use that touchpad mainly to play poker with my mates on pokerist therefore it needs android. i also use it as a "kindle" and download PDF's, etc.

i previously used to use my ipod touch for pokerist, which is too small for poker tbh you can barely see what is going on.

as for financial constraints, yes we all have them, i just choose to spend my money elsewhere, clothes and my home gym being the main ones, rather than a new phone or GPU every year.

 

[mrk]

I'd agree with that. The sensor itself is pretty good but the resolution of the lens itself seems to be stunning from the images I've seen. Even on a Canon L lens at 40+MP I'd be expecting some softness at 100% and the lens on the phone is pretty damn sharp. Just a shame it isn't running WP7 and the screen is a port resolution...

Don't get ahead of yourself just yet man! L lens rivalling quality? No not by a long shot. It's sharp because it's a fixed zoom small form lens.

Any Canon or Nikon dSLR of the last couple of years is going to out-resolve this phone and any other phone out or coming out any time soon - You don't need to be a camera whiz to conclude that and no dSLR user is going to be worrying themselves that they're going to be outdone by phones either

For reference, photo taken on a dSLR released in 2007 (Canon 40D) and with an L lens which is not fixed zoom, a fixed zoom lens would be even sharper.

http://robbiekhan.co.uk/root/temp/IMG_3141.jpg

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Don't get ahead of yourself just yet man! L lens rivalling quality? No not by a long shot. It's sharp because it's a fixed zoom small form lens.

Any Canon or Nikon dSLR of the last couple of years is going to out-resolve this phone and any other phone out or coming out any time soon - You don't need to be a camera whiz to conclude that.


For reference, photo taken on a dSLR released in 2007 (Canon 40D) and with an L lens which is not fixed zoom, a fixed zoom lens would be even sharper.

http://robbiekhan.co.uk/root/temp/IMG_3141.jpg

no phone could ever beat a proper camera which costs several thousand of pounds, to think that would be idiotic, but to say nobody wants this type of camera on their phone is also idiotic.

Nokia obviously want to retain the camera phone king title and i would say the camera is probably the most looked at feature by the mainstream public now a days. therefore there is a huge market for this type of phone, im pretty sure someone out there could port android onto it too, if they really wanted to.

 

[mrk]

Nobody is going to port Android onto such a small resolution phone screen really and especially consodering that it won't run ICS means even if someone does then they will be left with an old version of Android that also can't be fully utilised due to the small resolution.

 

[cu3ed]

Thought it was pretty damn obvious that they had no choice but to use Sybian, WP Droid etc don't even offer any kind of support for this hardware, simple as that, theirs nothing else thats able to run iit.

 

[grudas]

no phone could ever beat a proper camera which costs several thousand of pounds, to think that would be idiotic, but to say nobody wants this type of camera on their phone is also idiotic.

Nokia obviously want to retain the camera phone king title and i would say the camera is probably the most looked at feature by the mainstream public now a days. therefore there is a huge market for this type of phone, im pretty sure someone out there could port android onto it too, if they really wanted to.

lol.. you really are a hard core fan boy :] you don't even make sense.. all around phones are what have the HUGE market now.. not CAMERA phones.. when 50quid point n shot can pretty much beat any phone out there no one wants a phone thats new yet behind times already and people are actually starting to READ into specs of the phones as nowadays phones actually do a lot more than they used too do 3-4 years ago

 

[Psycho Sonny]

lol.. you really are a hard core fan boy :] you don't even make sense.. all around phones are what have the HUGE market now.. not CAMERA phones.. when 50quid point n shot can pretty much beat any phone out there no one wants a phone thats new yet behind times already and people are actually starting to READ into specs of the phones as nowadays phones actually do a lot more than they used too do 3-4 years ago

how many people do you know what carry a phone and a separate camera? that aren't professional/commercial photographers?

people who keep on using this stupid separate device argument really don't make any sense, people are looking to carry less devices, not more.

that's the whole reason why phones are replacing dedicated hardware such as mp3 players, camera's, sat nav's, laptop's (email on the go).

people used to carry all these separate items about, now they carry one, now your suggesting they go back to dedicated devices