dell...? my mum had to get her dell laptop replaced 9 times in 2 years, and about 1000 other dell stories ive heard
written on my macbook pro with 28 days uptime (since the last os x update)
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dell...? my mum had to get her dell laptop replaced 9 times in 2 years, and about 1000 other dell stories ive heard
written on my macbook pro with 28 days uptime (since the last os x update)
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Nope, and no one in their right mind would pay that. Even I added my ram in from Crucial. It is designed for easy access at the bottom, quicker than i could add ram to a tower!
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So are most laptops these days tbh.
Check out iTunes guys. It's a great bit of software, no? ... Wait!
I have a dell laptop purchased in 2003 that is still going strong and not had a single problem in nearly 10 years, and I treated it badly, trowing it around the place, dropping it, running it on m bed so it would get roasting hot etc. Similar to our 12 year old dell desktop which was used as a print server until recently when we purchased a wireless printer. Was still going strong, despite being filled with dog hair.
My girlfriend's macbook pro she was given brand new at work has been replaced twice, in the repair center 3 or 4 times and still crashes every week or 2, so now it is just used as an expensive media player and she uses her 4 year old HP laptop to work on.
So you are admitting that Apple's prices for adding extra memory or HD upgrades are a ripoff?
To be clear, I am not saying all their prices for all their products are ripoffs (many have good pricing), just they still try their old extortion tricks in a more secretive way. Other things include the cost of extra software, licensing costs, expensive support packages and the fact that swapping the wireless keyboard+mouse for wired (wireless peripherals are such a bad idea and bad for the environment) doesn't decrease the cost even although they are cheaper items.
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I don't get the brand allegiance to be honest.
Apple products tend to attract the same kind of people who buy a new car every year just to have a current year registration plate. Not saying all Apple buyers are like this but the upgrade mentality is bizzare. It's unfathomable and goes to show just how good Apple market and whip up a frenzy. People see iPad '3' and they only own 2.
The specs could be identical to the 2 and there are people who would still 'upgrade' to it just to be seen with the latest and greatest. It happens with other brands but nowhere near the same numbers. If any other company released Tablet A and 12 months later release Tablet B with a better screen resolution as about the only major change it would be laughed out of town in the context of a worthy successor/upgrade path.
Apple have it made for life now. It's borderline religious.
I am 26 years old and have owned 4 phones total in my lifetime. Four.
Crappy PAYG unit that was the only one authorised for PAYG when PAYG first came to Jersey.
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The HD2 will last me a few more years in all likeliness. These days with the solid established OSes and the opensource/homebrew community the ONLY reason to upgrade is hardware.
Upgrading from an iPhone 4 to a 4S is totally and absolutely bonkers in my eyes. As is going from an iPad 2 to 3.
Apple products tend to attract the same kind of people who buy a new car every year just to have a current year registration plate. Not saying all Apple buyers are like this but the upgrade mentality is bizzare. It's unfathomable and goes to show just how good Apple market and whip up a frenzy. People see iPad '3' and they only own 2.
The specs could be identical to the 2 and there are people who would still 'upgrade' to it just to be seen with the latest and greatest. It happens with other brands but nowhere near the same numbers. If any other company released Tablet A and 12 months later release Tablet B with a better screen resolution as about the only major change it would be laughed out of town in the context of a worthy successor/upgrade path.
Apple have it made for life now. It's borderline religious.
I am 26 years old and have owned 4 phones total in my lifetime. Four.
Crappy PAYG unit that was the only one authorised for PAYG when PAYG first came to Jersey.
Sony Ericsson P900
HTC TyTN II
HTC HD2 (Current)
The HD2 will last me a few more years in all likeliness. These days with the solid established OSes and the opensource/homebrew community the ONLY reason to upgrade is hardware.
Upgrading from an iPhone 4 to a 4S is totally and absolutely bonkers in my eyes. As is going from an iPad 2 to 3.
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I am talking about their iMac.
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There are exceptions but generally, yes you pay over the odds of adding ram or HD at the system build stage.*
Why would I say no to that? I might have quite a lot of their products but I don't have blinders on.
*although there could be the reason that they design a standard unit that can be bought in store, but going off standard you are taking longer and going off the standard factory line thus cost more to build, then again, it is what it is, which cost a lot more than its parts.
In business terms...it's good business! Can't blame them for that. As a consumer, it is very frustrating.
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The brand of vanity goods I buy is who I am. If you criticize them, you're insulting me. 
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Funny that the many dozens of friends and colleagues I know find OSX more stable than Windows and as stable as Linux. Personally I run all three at home and all of them have run very stably with no major problems since for as long as I can remember. In fact I've probably only had some form of fatal error on each of them a couple of times in the last 5+ years (including previous OSes for ones that hadn't been released then ... yes even Vista ran stably for me).
My Apple hardware hasn't had any significant problems, (apart from the Microsoft mouse i was using with my main Mac wearing out), and neither has my Dell laptop or my custom build Windows/Linux machines.
I think it's kinda taken as read that if you buy memory upgrades directly from Apple then you are a fool
On the mobile device front; I like the iPad, I have a 1st generation wifi one ... would I have been able to justify buying it ... no ... but I got it for nothing and I do find it very useful. I don't have an iPhone preferring Android's ability to have widgets running on the "desktop" rather than just having icons to access functions.
I think that getting worked up over it is sad, in the same way that people go lolbookface or whatever, ... it's mostly people trying to look cool by trashing on something which is popular. As for referring to the new iPad as iCon ... that's just sad in the same way as referring to Microsoft as Micro$oft is.
With the who;e new iPad LTE issue ... if there isn't a compatible network in the country where the device is being sold then Apple, or anyone else, shouldn't use that feature as a marketing point for the device. Ithere was a compatible network "coming soon" then they should make that clear too.
Tbh its not even that bad, I just priced up a tower system with equal or slightly greater spec than my 27" iMac and it only came to £1251, I paid £1399 for the iMac which I didn't have to assemble, has 2 years warranty, is super quiet, and looks teh sex.
And Dell's/HP's/etc are not?
Most O/S's these days are very stable and have been for a while, its only when you introduce 3rd party software or cheap hardware to the mix you get issues. In work we use Acer units running Windows XP SP3 with pretty much just office on them except for a few with payroll/cad software and I cannot recall anyone having a total system crash/lockup in the last 3+ years. I ran a Vista SP2 system for 14 months based on an over clocked bundle and it never crashed out (had to kill a few processes but not MS things). My iMac I got myself for xmas has never crashed out and I have only had to force quit a window twice.
In general Windows 2K/XP/Vista/7, OSX and decent Linux distros are all extremely stable. The problem is usually caused by buggy software or cheap/incompatible components introduced by the user.
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It is I guess predictable that a thread on apparent casual misrepresentation by a company specialising in presentation has turned into the inevitable battle between the small but fanatical and vociferous pro-Apple lobby and the rest of the world.
Most sensible people accept that Apple products are fashion buys, like a Rolex or a BMW; they are designed to appeal to girls who get stressed out about shades of pink and socially inadequate guys who are desperate to meet those girls - get over it people
Most sensible people accept that Apple products are fashion buys, like a Rolex or a BMW; they are designed to appeal to girls who get stressed out about shades of pink and socially inadequate guys who are desperate to meet those girls - get over it people
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It is I guess predictable that a thread on apparent casual misrepresentation by a company specialising in presentation has turned into the inevitable battle between the small but fanatical and vociferous pro-Apple lobby and the rest of the world.
Most sensible people accept that Apple products are fashion buys, like a Rolex or a BMW; they are designed to appeal to girls who get stressed out about shades of pink and socially inadequate guys who are desperate to meet those girls - get over it people
No, most sensible people accept that Apple products are just another product which is available in the market which is no better, nor worse, than any of the others.
Most sensible people also accept that this thread is the usual type of garbage you post, as shown again by the last section you have posted in the above quote.
That's just you though. I don't know many people who keep a phone for that long.
Ultimately it's coming down to money as always. If it was free, you'd change it.
As for marketing, something being directly better than its predecessor is hardly a marketing frenzy. Take the iPad 3 for example, it's a clear improvement over the iPad 2 in the biggest possible area - the screen.
Most of what you've described can be applied to any aspect of life, not just Apple. I mean we're on a computer enthusiast forum for goodness sake, where people spend hundreds of pounds getting small upgrades here and there to win at benchmarks... I don't see them being criticised very often.
It's just the anti-Apple brigade in full swing.
