The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

WingZero30 · 23 Mar 2012 at 08:29

What process size will be successor to 28nm?

tbh · 23 Mar 2012 at 15:23

WingZero30 said:
What process size will be successor to 28nm?

The next full node is 22nm and half node is 20nm, graphics cards usually use the latter.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 Mar 2012 at 18:01

It seems Nvidia is not very happy with TSMC:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

It does seem that 28NM wafers are relatively expensive,and the smaller dies have been negated by the cost increases. It also seems that both 20NM and 14NM will cost even more than 28NM.

shadow_boxer · 23 Mar 2012 at 18:04

kitch9 said:
At high res and when both overclocked the margins are small, and swing both ways.....

Gotta love the hyperbole.

This, both cards are so evenly matched when both overclocked. 2GB VRAM v 3GB, power consumption, price, noise, temps...both win some and lose some. Take your pick and enjoy your games!

ALXAndy · 23 Mar 2012 at 18:27

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It seems Nvidia is not very happy with TSMC:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

It does seem that 28NM wafers are relatively expensive,and the smaller dies have been negated by the cost increases. It also seems that both 20NM and 14NM will cost even more than 28NM.

Nvidia always did have a habit of slagging off the hands that feed.

Tut tut tut.

ALXAndy · 23 Mar 2012 at 18:29

Martini1991 said:
I'm still thinking I should have kept the 7950

Wait what?

Please don't tell me some one such as yourself who is so deliciously suspicious and critical took the green bait?

spankingtexan · 23 Mar 2012 at 23:28

Evenly matched or not, both cards are fantastic, for christ sake just make your choice and enjoy.

Martini1991 · 23 Mar 2012 at 23:31

ALXAndy said:
Wait what?

Please don't tell me some one such as yourself who is so deliciously suspicious and critical took the green bait?

I already knew what I'd gotten myself into though.
However, PSP emulation is a lot better on Nvidia than AMD GPU's, that's not an opinion, but rather documented by the developers.

I didn't take the green bait, the 7970/7950/GTX680 all OC'ed to their max will all play games for pretty much the same time.

TheRealDeal · 23 Mar 2012 at 23:33

Martini1991 said:
I already knew what I'd gotten myself into though.
However, PSP emulation is a lot better on Nvidia than AMD GPU's, that's not an opinion, but rather documented by the developers.

I didn't take the green bait, the 7970/7950/GTX680 all OC'ed to their max will all play games for pretty much the same time.

At least you can admit theres not much difference. I take it you never lost out much on your 7950.

Martini1991 · 23 Mar 2012 at 23:36

TheRealDeal said:
At least you can admit theres not much difference. I take it you never lost out much on your 7950.

40 quid, it's actually pretty annoying, the PCS+ launched at 380, I paid 390 delivered for my 680.

I'm going to do a fully comparative test of the 680 and 7950.
Although, I'm a little stumped with Heaven Benchmark, I always run Afterburner to display clocks, with AVP, my core speed was as expected, Heaven? 706MHZ.

Drivers will likely separate the two cards, and their optimisations and their settings, I haven't had a play with FXAA or this TXAA yet.

TheRealDeal · 23 Mar 2012 at 23:39

Martini1991 said:
40 quid, it's actually pretty annoying, the PCS+ launched at 380, I paid 390 delivered for my 680.

I'm going to do a fully comparative test of the 680 and 7950.
Although, I'm a little stumped with Heaven Benchmark, I always run Afterburner to display clocks, with AVP, my core speed was as expected, Heaven? 706MHZ.

Drivers will likely separate the two cards, and their optimisations and their settings, I haven't had a play with FXAA or this TXAA yet.

Nice price on the gtx680. Txaa seems like a nice addition. If its as good as nv say then amd will need to introduce there own.

tbh · 24 Mar 2012 at 03:59

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It seems Nvidia is not very happy with TSMC:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

It does seem that 28NM wafers are relatively expensive,and the smaller dies have been negated by the cost increases. It also seems that both 20NM and 14NM will cost even more than 28NM.

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

It looks like the "golden age" of GPUs is well and truly behind us, and barring any revolutionary breakthroughs we will have to get used to incrementally smaller increases in performance with every future generation; this new generation of chips is testament to this, both in performance and (unfortunately) in pricing.

I do find it interesting that nVidia have decided to openly criticise TSMC again however; one would suggest that if they are so unhappy with their current partner then they are free to pursue other alternatives such as... um, GloFab? Except they seem to be having plenty of problems of their own. Maybe nVidia should keep its collective mouth shut, TSMC may currently need them as much as they need it but if Apple decide to move more of their business from Samsung to TSMC then that could easily change and nVidia could find themselves out in the cold and their high end wafer allocation slashed.

stulid · 24 Mar 2012 at 09:03

http://wccftech.com/colorful-readie...l-gtx680-pcb-design-powered-8-pin-connectors/

:eek:

Omega · 24 Mar 2012 at 09:16

stulid said:
http://wccftech.com/colorful-readie...l-gtx680-pcb-design-powered-8-pin-connectors/

haha Stulid nice find. That looks crazy

The Slayer_UK · 24 Mar 2012 at 10:01

stulid said:
http://wccftech.com/colorful-readie...l-gtx680-pcb-design-powered-8-pin-connectors/

wow that looks insane lol bet that will cost a fair bit

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Mar 2012 at 12:02

GeForce GTX 680 Release Driver Limits PCI-Express to Gen 2.0 on X79/SNB-E Systems:

http://www.techpowerup.com/162942/G...-Express-to-Gen-2.0-on-X79-SNB-E-Systems.html

ALXAndy · 24 Mar 2012 at 12:41

Yeah I saw that this morning. Not that it will make a ton of difference mind, but it is rather odd.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 2 Apr 2012 at 10:06

Possible dual GPU card PCB picture:

http://www.purepc.pl/sprzet_pc/karty_graficzne/geforce_gtx_690_dwa_razy_szybszy_i_drozszy_od_gtx_680

Jerry64 · 2 Apr 2012 at 10:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Possible dual GPU card PCB picture:

http://www.purepc.pl/sprzet_pc/karty_graficzne/geforce_gtx_690_dwa_razy_szybszy_i_drozszy_od_gtx_680

In the network, the first photos allegedly showing the GeForce GTX 690, which will be a response to the upcoming Radeon HD 7990. Both graphics cards have one thing - the use of two chips on one PCB. With GeForce GTX 690 we expect the duo aka GK104 Kepler made in 28 nm process technology - below you can see the faint pattern of PCB. In fact, we're not sure whether it genuine photographs, but since the dual-processor monster premiere is planned for May of this year, the engineering version must already exist. Two cores GK104 combines NVIDIA NF200 bridge, while the GeForce GTX 690 will receive a 3072 CUDA processors, 256 texture units and 64 units rasteryzujące. The amount of memory will likely come in 4 GB of GDDR5 (2x 256-bit), while the HD 7990 GDDR5 offers 6GB (2x 384-bit).

Powered GeForce GTX 690 will take a 5-phase power section, and to feed this giant requires two 8-pin plug (TDP ~ 300W). The rear bracket you'll find two DVI, one HDMI and DisplayPort, and on the back of a not run SLI connector. Expected price is not yet known, but less than 3000 zł rather not go down (~ 800 USD).

spankingtexan · 4 Apr 2012 at 11:41

Well, gtx 680's to go to 1400mhz, sort of finishes the which card will be the fasted argument, along with new geforce drivers, there is no stopping it now, come on you reds....defect to green, you know it makes sense.