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Thoughts on early backlash against new AMD cards?

Rroff said:
Yeah 7970 and 680 are good cards - but they are £300 cards - they just don't inspire me enough to spend £400+ on one. Both would have to be around 25% faster out the box and the GTX680 would need more than 2GB VRAM before I spent that kind of money on one.
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This makes me wonder why Nvidia dont match AMD for VRAM on their cards?

From a marketing pov AMD are cleverer than Nvidia.

We may not need 3Gb of vram, but it is more attracrtive than 2Gb.
 
If the 7870 hits around the £200 mark I may buy one. After the whole AMD price hike, I now have no brand loyalty/preference towards them. I no longer recommend AMD for new builds.

I became so disinterested in graphics cards when these prices hit I just haven't looked at cards in a month, that's pretty telling from an I.T. Technician who loves his gaming.
 
opethdisciple said:
This makes me wonder why Nvidia dont match AMD for VRAM on their cards?

From a marketing pov AMD are cleverer than Nvidia.

We may not need 3Gb of vram, but it is more attracrtive than 2Gb.
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I agonised over this and decided to trust (to a certain extent) the reviewers that said that 680 provided a smoother experience than 7970

when we need more than 2GB I will be looking to GTX685 4GB for my answers, or whatever comes after that

yes 3GB is nice to have, particularly if you are looking at multimonitor, but for multimonitor you need 2 cards and I read too many horror stories about crossfire that keep me edging towards the green team (as an added bonus you get access to features like physx and TXAA should they ever be needed), and the 3 screen benches I have seen still show the GTX680 pulling ahead so for right now, that's where I'm making my bed
 
I temd to agree with most of the points discussed here. I think basically everyone agrees that they're good cards, but not quite up to the performance that was expected, and vastly overpriced. Theres one card that springs to mind as being the best of the midrange bunch and thats the 7850 2gb. Going by the thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389760

It appears to offer virtually 7950 performance for £200 if you're prepared to overclock the nads of it. I've even stumped up for a VTX versh meself purely to have summat to play around with, and I had some dosh going spare (very rare these days) so I had one. Even so, you can't guarantee how far each one will overclock so its a bit of a gamble.
But again, its overpriced for the stock performance offered

Just my two pence worth.
 
Rusty0611 said:
The 7850 if you got one at the £175 price point looks like a steal now to be fair.
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It might look a steal, but I think it's still overpriced.
The 5770 cards were around £120-140 (IIRC); the 5750 was a lot weaker and £20-30 cheaper. The 6xxx gen version of that card is the 6850; the 7xxx version is the 7850.
So 2 generations later, the modern version of the 5770 costs twice the price as it should, for its position in the graphic card hierarchy.

AMD's cunning change of the model numbers (x7xx to x8xx) now looks like a clever marketing move to allow them to inflate the price of that mainstream level of card, pricing it more like an enthusiast card. And push enthusiast cards to an even higher level.
 
pieman109 said:
It appears to offer virtually 7950 performance
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That's overclocked though.

Overclock the 7950 and it's an entirely different ballgame.

I'm beating some 7970 cards with my 7950, because I clocked the nuts of it.

I daresay the same is true of most cards these days, ie in a hierarchical structure.
 
Bought a 5850 off the MM for £75 which performs the same/better than a 6850 for about half the price...
 
Another issue is the older DX11 cards are still fine in many games and TBH BF3 is probably the main reason many people are buying new cards anyway.

I do think that by the time the second generation 28NM cards are out prices will have improved, as supposedly 28NM costs are very high according to Nvidia.
 
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Think we can all agree that at the moment if all your doing is just gaming and can deal with BF3 on "high/ultra with no AA" then you don't need any of the new gen cards. Then again if your me and your really picky about fps and use tri-monitor displays you end up paying a premium.
 
PiKe said:
Bought a 5850 off the MM for £75 which performs the same/better than a 6850 for about half the price...
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You bought your HD 5850 towards the end of February.

At the time the Asus HD 6850 was available for £89.99 with a 3 year warranty instead of the 15 months your HD 5850 had.

So around 83% of the price of a HD 6850 with less than half the warranty.
 
MilanoChris said:
That's overclocked though.

Overclock the 7950 and it's an entirely different ballgame.

I'm beating some 7970 cards with my 7950, because I clocked the nuts of it.

I daresay the same is true of most cards these days, ie in a hierarchical structure.
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But is the increase in performance when overclocking the 7950 worth the extra £150-£200. Personally I think not, plus you could Xfire two 7850s and and get a substantial increase in performance for virtually what you'd pay for a 7950 (obviously taking into account Vram for Hi res and AA)
Anyways, as said in this thread, they're overpriced and stock performance wasn't what was expected.
 
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if i would get payd 20k+ i would spend 450f for a card with no problems. But since working at Uni does not pay that good i cant afford card for so many pounds :(
And when i look at it. 4 months ago i payd 205f for 6950. And 7950 looks good at around 340. It is almost 2x faster when both cards are overclocked.
Xfire got some srs problems in 3D and well it pulls much more power from socket two.
 
Surveyor said:
You bought your HD 5850 towards the end of February.

At the time the Asus HD 6850 was available for £89.99 with a 3 year warranty instead of the 15 months your HD 5850 had.

So around 83% of the price of a HD 6850 with less than half the warranty.
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I never saw one for £90 :(
 
Rusty0611 said:
Worth is always going to be subjective so there's little point debating it.
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I tend to disagree with "no point in debating worth due to being subjective" mate . If these cards were priced at £100 cheaper for the high end, and say, £50 cheaper for the midrange, then most people here wouldn't be saying they're overpriced and performance increases, however small, would be far more acceptable. Therefore, what a card is worth to any individual is valid.:)
 
pieman109 said:
I tend to disagree with "no point in debating worth due to being subjective" mate . If these cards were priced at £100 cheaper for the high end, and say, £50 cheaper for the midrange, then most people here wouldn't be saying they're overpriced and performance increases, however small, would be far more acceptable. Therefore, what a card is worth to any individual is valid.:)
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I don't think most people are saying that though are they? I mean I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion on a graphics cards worth or anything (sorry if it came across that way!) but what I am saying is that what is worth it to one person (i.e. me) may not be worth it to another person and as such it kind of makes the issue a non-issue if that makes sense. Worth isn't something you can quantify. It depends on someone's financial position for starters amongst other things.

That's all I meant. It just saves the pages and pages of people saying they're happy with their 7970/680 and then the same amount of people saying it isn't worth £400 etc etc :)
 
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