Benefits cheats - do you know any?

HEADRAT said:
Oh lord, no I just can't "personally" epathise with something I've never had, people are just jumping on a "flippant" remark and turning it into something more.
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ITT: HEADRAT discovers quotations marks and abuses them. Oh, and continues to try and deny his original opinion.
 
One of my ex-girlfriends ex-boyfriends was claiming unemployment benefits whilst working cash in hand for someone.

I reported him mainly because he was a **** rather than any kind of moral crusade about benefit cheats though.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Meh!
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ITT : Dj Jestar continues to read more into a "flippant post" even though "emoticons" were used, he knows without doubt that he is right and that he will continue to "that end" ;)

Dj_Jestar said:
Right where you put the "wink" emoticon and the sarcastic, in quotes "get on with it"
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Here is where is obviously makes up his mind why emoticons were used and their exact meaning!

HEADRAT
 
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I know several people who are on Benefits -from part time jobs where they get rent council tax and a lovely cash bung and etc etc and have a wonderfully easy life missing none of the things that some (foolish people have to work for car/iPhone) etc paid - to complete and straight unemployment ( or should one say early retirement!). The Uk is the only country in the whole world where work is entirely discretionary and perfectly socially acceptable.
Everyone in the UK should be on BENEFITS in order to make everything entirely fair - a level playing field if you like
 
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i know more people being cheated out of benefits than cheating for them.

you get constant adverts and warnings telling you how bad cheating is but you dont get easy advice on what you could be entitled too
 
Everyone in the UK should be on BENEFITS in order to make everything entirley fair - a level playing field if you like
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There was a study done, which I cant actually remember the name, but it actually agreed with this statement.

It worked out that everyone in the UK could be given a certian ammount of money each week, wether working or not, and there would be no benefits given.

Damn I wish I could remember the name of the report.


Also there was a recent think tank that suggested that all young people could be put thorough university instead of recieveing benefits, given the cost of the benefits + the cost of working them out and running the system etc.
 
To be fair, more goes unclaimed than get's lost due to fraud.

If we have a perfect 100% ran benefits system & everybody claimed legally who was entitled we would be about £15billion per year worse off.

Benefit fraud (assuming you include the governments figures which has errors by the benefits department included is around 5bil, the actual genuine fraud isn't much over £1.5bill according the last lot of data I read from the government.
 
^^ exactly. Try not to judge others on something you have no clue about. That's what folk are trying to get across mate. Wether you empathise or not, you are in no real position to start judging folk about it.
 
DanTheMan said:
Growing up in and still living in one of the highest unemployed areas of Manchester, I know many, many people who play the system to get more benefits than they would otherwise be entitled to. However, it isn't like the typical Daily Mail benefit cheat story that you see; these people are still **** poor and scraping to get by. There simply isn't enough work to go around and it is instilled in these people that it is now acceptable to do this.

As an example of why some people that I know have done it:

A close friend of mine was claiming JSA for 6 months at age 19 when he was told he had to attend a compulsory work finding course through the jobcentre. Whilst on the course, low and behold they managed to secure him a job as a window cleaner which he was very grateful for, so he signed off to start work.

What the window cleaner who employed him had managed to hide from both my friend and the jobcentre is that he was only willing to pay him £100 a week for working ~35 hours in all conditions. My friend basically had two options: report the guy to the jobcentre, in which case he would just be let go and have no work whatsoever, or continue to work whilst claiming JSA to boost his income by £50 a week and at least be able to buy enough food and pay some rent. It's a no brainer.

So, yes I know people who cheat the system but when we are talking about them still coming out with only £600 per month for working a 35 hour week, I can't really begrudge them that 'privilege'.
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Ignoring the minimum wage angle for now. How much was he getting on benefits to be worse off earning £100 per week?
Or is it that the "extra" he got from earning £100 per week wasn't worth having to work 35 hours for?

Personally I think the benefits are to generous. Before I am stoned to death as a heretic let me quantify

I believe we should all have a minimum standard of living, somewhere acceptable to live, enough food to survive and not be in fuel poverty.
What gets me is that you can have all those things wherever you choose to base yourself in the UK, be that the middle of London or lands end.

IMO if you want to claim that minimum level of living it should have no objection to it being in an area of the governments choice, and the lodgings should be some flats or even converted buildings. Move the unemployed to an area where they have most chance of work. Then every 6 months move them to a new location as they clearly do no have the skills for the location they are currently in.
Obviously some consideration needs to be made to people with children of a schoolable age, those unfit to work due to illness etc that have a supporting family member near by.
Maybe a 6 month inital period where you can live where you want then the process kicks in and to be given these benefits you sign yourself up for relocation.
 
No it doesn't unless you're saying I should be able to personally empathise with somebody with a condition that I've never suffered from :confused:
 
No, I'm saying;
Try not to judge others on something you have no clue about. That's what folk are trying to get across mate. Wether you empathise or not, you are in no real position to start judging folk about it.
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desires said:
Being a rat is one of the worst things you can be. Just like you wouldn't turn your mum in if she murdered someone.
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That's one of the most ridiculous things I think I have ever read on GD (Stockhausen posts aside). Why shouldn't you shop someone for fleecing the system. A system that only exists due to the taxation of the everyday working man and woman. I for one don't want someone cheating / obtaining my taxation in benefits when they could take their fat 10 big mac eating arses to work themselves !!!
 
shadesofgrey said:
No, I'm saying;
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So even though in my opinion I think the guy concerned is just a work shy layabout that's using depression as a cover for just being bone idle I'm not allow to express that, I could be completely wrong of course, after all it only my opinion.

Without knowing his full medical history I have no idea whether my opinion is valid or not, maybe I should just give him the benefit of the doubt, nah I don't think so I just think he's work shy.

HEADRAT
 
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