Thinking of taking up a martial art...

Is this something you practice on people on a regular basis in training? How many people have you seriously hurt doing so, it must be all the time? How do you train with your small joints so brutally injured every training session when you practice?

I'm sure you can, but I thought the whole concept was about protecting the wellbeing of your attacker?

I think I clearly stated where the techniques were used and in what context. Just outside the 'Whistle and Duck' in Sarajevo if you really want specifics.

In such a situation Aikido provides some good moves that are very valid. Would you try and use a judo throw - oh dear you've just got you belt and webbing tangled on them and pulled yourself to the ground too - fancy kick with boots - yer right that's going to work, some of the wrestling I've learned as a kid requires a build/strength most people don't have and I know I don't have anymore etc.

My point is you get all these elitist people (who mostly are armchair MMA fans) who miss the point its not the dog in the fight (as in the style) it's the fight in the dog and you can learn all this wonderful stuff and if you are not of the right nature completely fail to put any of it into practice when the adrenaline kicks in. No style is going to prepare you properly in the same way you will never react well the first time you are hit hard - proper hard.
 
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No style is going to prepare you properly in the same way you will never react well the first time you are hit hard - proper hard.

Absolutely, it doesnt matter how many years you've been training, that first time you get into a real fight situation will be a completely different ball game altogether.
 
I doubt he can, I am sure he thinks he can because he has done it in practice time and time again, but reality is completely different.

Of course someone disagrees with you and you instantly go down that line :rolleyes:

You are that knowledgeable and yet you have failed to ask the OP what his build, weight or general fitness are as they will greatly determine how effectively he can do many disciplines to their fullest extent. Hence why I immediately stated boxing. But hey you know that don't you.
 
Blimey hurdfdurf, you are either a lifelong and very experienced martial artist.......or a complete antagonist who like many others has missed the point.
Being pedantic, martial arts that end in the word 'do' were 'developed' as a journey for the individual, a path of self-discovery if you like. They almost ALL have their basis in combat/self-defence, but in an [arguably] more civilised age, have evolved into something more philosophical, with less emphasis on besting someone physically.
That said, every martial/combat art i've studied; Wado-ryu karate, goya-ra-ryu karate, Shaolin kung fu, kick/thai boxing, ninjitsu, aikido, aiki-jujutsu, iaijustu and kendo have all offered something that i firmly believe would be helpful in a 'street' situation.
Have you truly tried all those martials arts that you seem to flame to an extent that you feel you can truly comment on them?
I partially agree with you on the tae kwon do aspects of kicking and little upper body defense/attack. As a kick-boxer i never really had problems beating tkd oppoents in cross-discipline tourneys. However i know tdk exponents who have developed such lightning leg speed/power that getting near them is risking being sent into a coma.
Boxing absolutely does have its merits for stamina, but is only reliant on hands. As for starting a fight with a kick? Anyone trained in such arts is likely to.....i would. A low kick to an unprotected shin could end the fight there and then.
As for aikido, i've seen it demonstrated countless times to be effective, however, the emphasis has been more on the aiki-jutsu style technique which is brutal battlefield stuff and designed to down to the opponent with little chance of them getting up. Still....the techniques are often the same, its the 'intent' that determines the outcome.
Your comment about the "can't go full speed as it cna hurt you" is absolutely true. Why is that hard to believe. If a full on lock/throw were applied in a class and the recipient had his/her arm broke, do you think they'd come back for more? There'd be no students left. Aikido actually bases its power on the aggressors own power. Some people flower it up with bs, but brass tacks, it can be very effective.
 
Blimey hurdfdurf, you are either a lifelong and very experienced martial artist.......or a complete antagonist who like many others has missed the point.
Being pedantic, martial arts that end in the word 'do' were 'developed' as a journey for the individual, a path of self-discovery if you like. They almost ALL have their basis in combat/self-defence, but in an [arguably] more civilised age, have evolved into something more philosophical, with less emphasis on besting someone physically.
That said, every martial/combat art i've studied; Wado-ryu karate, goya-ra-ryu karate, Shaolin kung fu, kick/thai boxing, ninjitsu, aikido, aiki-jujutsu, iaijustu and kendo have all offered something that i firmly believe would be helpful in a 'street' situation.
Have you truly tried all those martials arts that you seem to flame to an extent that you feel you can truly comment on them?
I partially agree with you on the tae kwon do aspects of kicking and little upper body defense/attack. As a kick-boxer i never really had problems beating tkd oppoents in cross-discipline tourneys. However i know tdk exponents who have developed such lightning leg speed/power that getting near them is risking being sent into a coma.
Boxing absolutely does have its merits for stamina, but is only reliant on hands. As for starting a fight with a kick? Anyone trained in such arts is likely to.....i would. A low kick to an unprotected shin could end the fight there and then.
As for aikido, i've seen it demonstrated countless times to be effective, however, the emphasis has been more on the aiki-jutsu style technique which is brutal battlefield stuff and designed to down to the opponent with little chance of them getting up. Still....the techniques are often the same, its the 'intent' that determines the outcome.
Your comment about the "can't go full speed as it cna hurt you" is absolutely true. Why is that hard to believe. If a full on lock/throw were applied in a class and the recipient had his/her arm broke, do you think they'd come back for more? There'd be no students left. Aikido actually bases its power on the aggressors own power. Some people flower it up with bs, but brass tacks, it can be very effective.

Joe I am not being funny but when do you ever target someones shin?

If I were to low kick someone to do damage it would be either in the thigh or the knee trying to break it.

Who the hell kicks someone in the damn shin?
 
I think Dkore-Dex had a semi pro mma fight or two, good job he didn't come across a Aikido guy, his punching and kicking would have been rendered useless to a pressure point arm lock hip throw death slam.
 
Joe I am not being funny but when do you ever target someones shin?

If I were to low kick someone to do damage it would be either in the thigh or the knee trying to break it.

Who the hell kicks someone in the damn shin?

Seriously?
I've seen some of your posts previously mate and followed some of your fights progress, nice one. :)
However, if there are no 'rules' in a street fight, the shortest most direct point to pain would be a front kick to the shin.
I'm not sure its allowed in K-1 / MMA type fights, so maybe you aren't taught it, but a kick to the shin can break it and end the fight right there, just imagine the scene; 2 fighters square off a la boxing style, then one shoots a low front kick to the shin...and remember he has boots on. There's no need to telegraph the kick like a thigh shot, which at best is likely to dead leg the opponent and at worse get caught leaving you in trouble.
Knee shot? sure, same result as the shin, but higher, so slightly slower and easier to read.
Military combat can fill in the dirty holes that martial arts can't. :D
 
Having thought about it, ninjitsu covered a lot of just about every other martial art i've ever studied, seemingly taking the best and most brutal parts from the others.
No that is harsh, but again....its down to the exponent.
 
No martial art will prepare you for a sucker punch or a glass bottle from behind.

:)
 
I think Dkore-Dex had a semi pro mma fight or two, good job he didn't come across a Aikido guy, his punching and kicking would have been rendered useless to a pressure point arm lock hip throw death slam.

You really are quite obtuse with your elitism aren't you and quite clearly have not read what I posted but that's a par for you. I seem to remember this thread last time when you called out Castiel for saying the same thing as I have just done. Strangely enough he made the same points as me - an MMA arena wearing gloves within a ruleset and officiated is rather different from what I described. Even just having a sleeve to use as a choke pivot or not makes a massive change in the what is effective and not.
 
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