david cameron ''children should stand up''

Just won't work these days, albeit a clear statement of respect to some people. The reason? We don't let pupils in classrooms without a teacher present due to health and safety for one! Also, this is an outdated form of social behaviour that is more rooted in schools not seen in modern Britain.

Honestly, I have to deal with very little lack of respect on a daily basis. Yes, I teach in a good secondary, however the behaviour is no different to other schools around the country. It is the same consistent few who will typically raise issues. I personally I have never bought into the notion of 'demanding' respect. Treat all students fairly, equally and show some interest and there's very rarely an issue.

What we need to work on as a society is letting children know they can fail without hard work and effort. That I couldn't agree with more.
 
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LordSplodge said:
Yes and I am talking about old fashion values. So wind your neck in.
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Well please I implore you to expand on your views on old fasioned values.

Rather than telling me to wind my neck in, how about you debate something. I'm open to other peoples opinions, you however seem to not be. If you wish to discuss your views please continue if not don't tell me to wind my neck in, I am debating with other people in this thread, they are respecting my opinions funnily enough and I theirs, whereas you are not, probably set in your old fashioned ways.
 
It is very good practice for later life and at school we always did this.

I work in an office nowadays at a desk and if someone comes to see me, I stand up until they can be seated whether they work in an adjacent office or are an external visitor. This works for collegues, superiors or office juniors alike. It says thankyou and makes the person comfortable.
 
nkata said:
It is very good practice for later life and at school we always did this.

I work in an office nowadays at a desk and if someone comes to see me, I stand up until they can be seated whether they work in an adjacent office or are an external visitor. This works for collegues, superiors or office juniors alike. It says thankyou and makes the person comfortable.
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Sorry if I misunderstood you, your wording is quite unclear. However it seems you say you stand up for office juniors too, this is the correct way respect should be given out.

To superiors and inferiors. Not just to superiors.

Also I applaud you for doing that.
 
What annoyed me most at school was even if I gave a decent teacher (in terms of communicating the material along with support and encouragement) the respect a teacher deserves, a certain lack of respect was given from groups of other pupils. This made the classroom a bit of a battlefield and a poor place for learning.

If those children were to have shown the same level of respect I and many other children had given, then that teacher would have been given the opportunity to do a much better job. I despaired at school when in classes with these disrespectful beings, the teacher was only trying to do his/her job. :(
 
LordSplodge said:
Wrong. Children* should respect their elders by default. Schools need more discipline.
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How is it wrong? Show me where they must respect them?

What about other countries and their youth dont respect their elders, are they wrong? Why should your social conduct be above mine and not equal?
 
Totally out of date system. If you raise children to automatically give respect to their "betters" (above the basic respect everyone deserves on a first meeting) they will go into the world of work (or in tory-libdem ideal a world of indentured service) and do the same to their management.

In no-way can that be good for business.
 
Tyron said:
No one helped me in the sense of teaching me, I just learned from interacting with people, a series of trial and error, having a dog ect.

Oh and a few plotical books, sun tzu and makaveli :p
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You learned, you may not view at as being taught but you were, whether it be Mr Smith in History, sun tzu, mum, dad or dave your mate who was cool. You actually if you are honest have a chip on your shoulder that makes you see teachers as lesser mortals or not worthy of teaching you anything, your posting makes that somewhat obvious.

I know because I was the same so can see it in others but I'm 44 and have grown up. Your great teachers you remember, no matter who they are and even if they are a bloke who made a good impression rather than someone who taught you English, they are still teachers and you are always learning.
 
Moses said:
My best teacher was an old school guy, who enforced things strictly... he was an utterly fantastic teacher. My worst teacher (in terms of learning the subject) was a chatty nice guy - we learnt a lot about loads of topics, but we didn't learn so much about the history curriculum we were meant to be covering :p.
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I had a Chemistry teacher like that. Although i wouldn't say we learnt a lot about loads of topics so much as a lot about her life, her getting married and why she's a Chemistry teacher even though she studied law :p

But no, i think my two best teachers have been the ones i've had the most comfortable relationship with. Most of them have been rather good. But i have my doubts as to if that would have been the case if there had been more 'us and them' barriers.

Besides, being treated like an adult/normal person is going to teach you far more than being forced to stand up every so often.
 
I think this thread is highlighting why kids have no respect these days.

We did it at school in the 90s

I cant believe they wouldn't do it now days....

I always respected my teachers... more than my parents in some cases. Never back chat a teacher. then i wanted to learn, i wasn't a scrote.
 
Woden said:
Totally out of date system. If you raise children to automatically give respect to their "betters" (above the basic respect everyone deserves on a first meeting) they will go into the world of work (or in tory-libdem ideal a world of indentured service) and do the same to their management.

In no-way can that be good for business.
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Fubsy said:
What annoyed me most at school was even if I gave a decent teacher (in terms of communicating the material along with support and encouragement) the respect a teacher deserves, a certain lack of respect was given from groups of other pupils. This made the classroom a bit of a battlefield and a poor place for learning.

If those children were to have shown the same level of respect I and many other children had given, then that teacher would have been given the opportunity to do a much better job. I despaired at school when in classes with these disrespectful beings, the teacher was only trying to do his/her job. :(
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I agree with you entirely, however as I said before. If children were made to stand before their teachers everytime they came in, it would not make the children respect them.

You can make them stand up, do some hula hoops do a lap of the school field, it will not affect if a child respects a teacher or not.

Some children just don't want to respect teachers because they don't like being told what to do etc or they just don't care about education etc, that's their perogative. If they don't want to go to school they shouldn't be forced to. But then they shouldn't expect free healthcare etc, you're with us or you're not. The country makes going to school mandatory because it makes our nation look better to the outside world. And granted it probably is the best solution to make every child go to school, I'm not disputing that but you will ALWAYS have children who don't want to be there and as such will not respect the teacher, EVERYBODY IS UNIQUE we cannot change this. You have good eggs and bad eggs you just have to get on with it. That's why I think respect is a two-way street. We should all be treated evenly.
 
Tyron said:
Respect is earned, not given. Addressing them by their surname is enough.
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I think becoming a teacher is enough to earn respect from the children that they are teaching.

At my secondary school we were made to stand when a teacher entered the classroom, I thought that was common?
 
Why is the government telling children how to behave. Isn't that the parent's job?

Oh yeah I forgot you have cradle to grave government teet sucking in the UK. Can't do a thing for yourself, the all knowing government has to put together a committee to figure it out for you.
 
Housey said:
You actually if you are honest have a chip on your shoulder that makes you see teachers as lesser mortals or not worthy of teaching you anything, your posting makes that somewhat obvious.
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Far from it. I see them as human beings who get the base level of respect and anything more must be earned.

And I can say I respect a few teachers when I was at school, even to the point I was watching 9/11 with the IT teacher after school on the overhead projector.

A teacher I didn't respect was due to him being the real life Phil Mitchel and so I transfered to a different class and I told him why I wanted to be moved.
 
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It isn't about respect, a to often used word more often used by people who have no right to seek it. It's about courtesy towards elders when you are a child, nothing more and isn't a bad starting point. The fact so many young people take issue with this shows how things have changed in this 'respect' society we seem to have built...
 
I don't get the respect thing, as in how it standing up showing respect when it's forced?
Obviously I think people should respect each other, but the rules of respect shouldn't be laid out.
 
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