Anyone here go to church?

and why don't they build them like that anymore? oh, it's because most people aren't stupid enough to live in the same kind of fear they did back then.

here's my local church. i'm assuming they paid ****** to steal bits from nearby scrap yards to build it.

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oh, it's because people aren't stupid enough to live in the same kind of fear they did back then.
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Um... What? Are you saying you'd rather have your ***** church?

That post is so hypocritical I can only assume you're being intentionally ironic.

Plus 'back then' is a little vague. Especially as Santo Rosario really isn't that old, relatively speaking (about 135 years iirc, which isn't much compared to many European churches).
 
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My wife goes and I went once out of curiosity. It's a liberal Church in a very nice part of Auckland and it felt more like intelligent people discussing things (mainly not religion actually) rather than what I was expecting. It was more about being good people.
 
Van Hellseek, none of your posts add any value of any sort to any discussion you enter. Is there a reason for that? You're really quick to judge, you get amazingly defensive and try and turn any thread about stuff into a thread about you. Don't you find that a little worrying?

p.s. One of my sigs is about you. You have to guess which one though :)
 
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oh right. you're saying all tradesmen over the last 1000 years or so have been paid the going rate for materials/labour that they have put into constructing these magnificent buildings. ok.
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No. I'm saying your comment suggesting they were constructed purely out of fear is ridiculous, particularly as your claim is extremely vague.

If you want to be more specific about what you really mean by that then I'm open to discussion. But the previous statement was a sweeping generalisation to say the least.
 
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oh right. you're saying all tradesmen over the last 1000 years or so have been paid the going rate for materials/labour that they have put into constructing these magnificent buildings. ok.
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It is very rare indeed to find any Church or Cathedral that was built on the back of slave or exploited workers (when compared to the alternatives and general working conditions of the period) in fact Church building and to a greater extent Cathedral building was a lucrative and sought after occupation throughout the medieval period and beyond despite the inherent dangers and hard work involved. Masons and other craftsmen especially were highly prized.

People didn't build Cathedrals out of fear, they built them as part of their livelihood and with a sense of piety. The efforts were largely a community effort and while, as a rule, basic labourers were paid (in many early cases it was part of their manorial service, although after the Black Death, labour demands largely ended this practice) many in the community would also volunteer around their other commitments. Communities would petition for the opportunity to build a Cathedral and to a lesser extent a Church, they certainly were not driven to it by fear.
 
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I used to go to my local Spiritualist church a few times a week, but only go a few times a month recently due to other commitments. I've no objections to visiting other denominations or religions though, and partook of a wonderful Catholic christening last month. Religious architecture is often quite amazing. :)
 
I go to church most Sunday's. It's usually not dull, there's a band and I like singing as part of a congregation. The sermons are usually interesting, sure there are some where I can't wait for them to be over but I rarely wish I hadn't gone to church.

As for Christians being bashed, I can't understand a supposedly liberal society where everything's fine but thinking everything's not fine, is not fine!
 
Went twice a week up until i was 16, i think the over pushy way my parents were a bout it ruined it a bit for me. my parents always said it'd be my choice once i turned 16, i think if we'd have gone once a week and i was allowed to skip once every so often when there was things i wanted to do i'd probably still attend when i could
 
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