President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage

There are no valid reasons to oppose gay marriage. None whatsoever.

They are only valid if you are a homophobic bigot.
 
Tyron said:
So selective democracy?

You can't pick and chose when you want it.
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Actually you can it's why they have a constitution.

To prevent the majority changing the rules to oppress a minority and to limit the power of the state to unjustly influence peoples lives etc.


Quite worrying you don't know that given how much you hate "liberals" a constitution and as you put it "selective democracy" would have been a core belief of yours i'd have thought.
 
bitslice said:
So you are putting yourself at the extreme end of the debate and then blaming the other side for the lack of common ground?

Tactically excellent :)
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No, you've misunderstood me.

Let me say the same thing in different words.

From experience I've yet to hear a single reason why banning gay marriage is desirable. This thread adds to that experience. Anything brought up in this thread is laughable.

I'm not blaming anyone for lack of common ground. I am saying that I cannot find any.
 
bhavv said:
There are no valid reasons to oppose gay marriage. None whatsoever.

They are only valid if you are a homophobic bigot.
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I am not a homophobe and certainly not a bigot. I think everyone is a little afraid of things they don't know/used to.

bhavv, I do not have a valid reason other than I do not think it's right. Just being honest.
 
Scougar said:
Did I choose to be straight? I wasn't really in a position to chose I suppose, I was brought up in a culture that generally made no real reference to being gay, and whilst be called each other gay.. we didn't really have a proper concept of it as kids. It was generally accepted that a man is with a woman.
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But my nan could say that growing up it was generally accepted the races didn't inter-breed or marry but (I hope) you accept mixed-race relationship as normal today?

Likewise in some parts of Indian culture it is "generally accepted" that a 30 year old man should marry a 12 year old girl but does that make it 'right'?
 
The Halk said:
No, you've misunderstood me.

Let me say the same thing in different words.

From experience I've yet to hear a single reason why banning gay marriage is desirable. This thread adds to that experience. Anything brought up in this thread is laughable.

I'm not blaming anyone for lack of common ground. I am saying that I cannot find any.
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Halk> Read the thread again> Almost everyone in here is supporting gay marriage. Not sure why you are getting angry?
 
Teh gheys are teh end of teh wurld!

Their agenda is to legalize and promote sodomy, and to convert our children into satanic sodomites!

Ban dem! Ban all teh gheys!
 
estebanrey said:
But my nan could say that growing up it was generally accepted the races didn't inter-breed or marry but (I hope) you accept mixed-race relationship as normal today?

Likewise in some parts of Indian culture it is "generally accepted" that a 30 year old man should marry a 12 year old girl but does that make it 'right'?
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Damn... well put. Floored me with that one.

Devil's advocate role: Be aware that it's only our society that suggests sex/marriage with someone that young is wrong. (I do NOT believe it's OK!!!)

"Inter-breeding", such a horrible way to put it. I think we we will all one day be part of something else and all 'mixed'. I see no issue, and your point totally put that across.
 
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Scougar said:
I am not a homophobe and certainly not a bigot. I think everyone is a little afraid of things they don't know/used to.

bhavv, I do not have a valid reason other than I do not think it's right. Just being honest.
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100 years ago people thought it wasn't right for black people to marry white people. Today the BNP still think this isn't right.

Your argument is no better than theirs.
 
bhavv said:
100 years ago people thought it wasn't right for black people to marry white people. Today the BNP still think this isn't right.

Your argument is no better than theirs.
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Perhaps you are right. But it doesn't make me homophobic bhavv. Please note that I did say that I don't have a valid reason, it's merely my current opinion. I can't change my view point just like that, it's like a building block of 'me'.

I am certainly glad that I do not live in quite such dark days of racism.. it's still very much here though. To some extent it always will be. People always want to band together in some way, sometimes in a negative manner.
 
Scougar said:
I am not a homophobe and certainly not a bigot. I think everyone is a little afraid of things they don't know/used to.

bhavv, I do not have a valid reason other than I do not think it's right. Just being honest.
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My personal view is people don't have to like gays or agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on whatever subject they want. "I don't agree with gays, I don't agree with apples" etc. As long as you aren't going out beating gays up, or punching apples :p.

I however fail to see the issue with gay marriage? Don't agree with gays or gay marriage? Well erm, don't get married to a same sex partner then :confused: Don't like gays? Keep yourself away from them then. You can dislike it but at the end of the day, you can't tell others how to live their lives.

It doesn't 'devalue' marriage in any way. There's plenty of straight people who trash marriage.

Saying all this however, relating back to my point about not telling others how to live or being forced to accept something, I think if churches do not wish to perform gay marriages, that is fine. I respect their beliefs and choices.

The choice of a 'civil partnership' should be available to straight couples as well. I'd personally prefer a civil partnership. To me, marriage is outdated and has religious connotations but again I respect what it means to different people.

The jist of it all really is, how does it affect you if you're not gay? It doesn't. You can disagree with it but let other people do as they please, as long as they aren't forcing it upon you. I highly doubt straight people will be forced in to a gay marriage :D.
 
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