Can't believe it, someone tried stealing our cars :(

[MacRS4]

If I had a car worth worrying about and was concerned about someone breaking in to get the keys (neither of which apply to me) I would leave the keys in such a place that they couldn't be seen from any window but were blindingly obvious if someone was to get in.

Completely. My place is properly alarmed now, and the car is part of the alarm system (in addition to the 'normal' car security). If somebody physically broke in I'd rather they saw the keys and just took the car, than tried to ask me where they are.

Having had two cars stolen now, it's difficult to remember they are just 'things' and that eventually you'll have more 'things' anyways.

 

[NathWraith]

Indeed, this is a worry esp with us having the 350z now, we always take our keys into the bedroom with us at night and shut all the blinds at night so no one could see in, I really want to move somewhere with a decent garage.

Hawker

350Z's don't attract the same kind of attention though.

They aren't part of the "aight mate, got an ST/VXR blud, brap" crew.

 

[Rybo89]

They aren't part of the "aight mate, got an ST/VXR blud, brap" crew.

Bloody hell, I must be the ring leader

 

[NathWraith]

Bloody hell, I must be the ring leader

 

[shoes]

As usual it's due to the soft as **** nature in which we deal with criminals in this country. my other half's car was stolen in Liverpool, from a car park, and he little scrotes managed to crash it into the wall opposite the car park almost immediately after taking it. the police, thankfully, happened to be right there and actually apprehended both thieves.

after a court hearing and both admitting guilt, they were both issued with suspended sentences on account of it being their first offence. effectively they were told off and sent on their way.

How is this even remotely fair? My other half had to claim on her insurance and is now paying the price for increased premiums whilst the council estate scum are freely going about making other people's lives a misery.

what the actual ****?

I know the left will have a melt down at this suggestion, but frankly I'd be in favour of 10 years hard, and I mean hard, labour for this crime as it's nothing but mindless BS.

 

[Imy]

Off-topic but if prisons were places where inmates had to earn their keep, the prison service could pay for itself and judges/government wouldn't have to take into account the cost of keeping someone in prison when sentencing.

The average cost to keep someone in prison for a year is £47k.

 

[hurfdurf]

I know the left will have a melt down at this suggestion, but frankly I'd be in favour of 10 years hard, and I mean hard, labour for this crime as it's nothing but mindless BS.

The left wont have a meltdown at all. It will simply point out all the academic studies that have shown, time and time again, that punishment does not work, but rehabilitation does dramatically reduce crime. It is more like you having the meltdown

"OMG PUT THEM IN JAIL HANG THEM HIGH TAR AND FEATHER THEM! That way criminals will be too scared to commit crimes! Because, I, as a law abiding citizen who never brakes any rules because I am afraid of getting caught knows exactly how a criminal thinks and how to dissuade them from committing their criminal acts!" just like that works in other countries where there is 0 crime and how it used to work here in the dark ages, ohhhh wait!

Off-topic but if prisons were places where inmates had to earn their keep, the prison service could pay for itself and judges/government wouldn't have to take into account the cost of keeping someone in prison when sentencing.

The average cost to keep someone in prison for a year is £47k.

Please show your findings and give an example of a country where this works while also reducing the crime rate effectively.
While the left simply shake their heads at your and the entire right wings stupidity.

 

[Imy]

My post wasn't in regards to reducing crime rate and I didn't claim it to be. It was purely from a justice/punishment point of view.

If there is rehabilitation that works, it should take place while the sentence is being served or immediately after and not as a replacement for a punishment that fits the crime.

 

[ins0mn1ac]

Indeed, this is a worry esp with us having the 350z now, we always take our keys into the bedroom with us at night and shut all the blinds at night so no one could see in, I really want to move somewhere with a decent garage.

Hawker

If I had a car worth worrying about and was concerned about someone breaking in to get the keys (neither of which apply to me) I would leave the keys in such a place that they couldn't be seen from any window but were blindingly obvious if someone was to get in.

Last thing I would want is some psycho standing at the foot of my bed asking where my keys were

Defo! My keys are always left somewhere easy to reach, but out of sight of the doors/windows.

A car isnt worth having your head caved in at night because they cant find the keys

 

[Linkex]

The left wont have a meltdown at all. It will simply point out all the academic studies that have shown, time and time again, that punishment does not work, but rehabilitation does dramatically reduce crime. It is more like you having the meltdown

"OMG PUT THEM IN JAIL HANG THEM HIGH TAR AND FEATHER THEM! That way criminals will be too scared to commit crimes! Because, I, as a law abiding citizen who never brakes any rules because I am afraid of getting caught knows exactly how a criminal thinks and how to dissuade them from committing their criminal acts!" just like that works in other countries where there is 0 crime and how it used to work here in the dark ages, ohhhh wait!




Please show your findings and give an example of a country where this works while also reducing the crime rate effectively.
While the left simply shake their heads at your and the entire right wings stupidity.

You are rather assuming his intent is to prevent crime, or to rehabilitate the criminals. Perhaps he just wants the little ****ers to suffer? I've never understood why there is this attitude of "Judicial revenge" is bad. Why? Why shouldn't the little *****s be made to suffer for what they have done? If it was up to me, I'd rip one of thier legs off and bugger them to death with it. And then I would get on with my life satisfied in a job well done.

 

[shoes]

You are rather assuming his intent is to prevent crime, or to rehabilitate the criminals. Perhaps he just wants the little ****ers to suffer? I've never understood why there is this attitude of "Judicial revenge" is bad. Why? Why shouldn't the little *****s be made to suffer for what they have done? If it was up to me, I'd rip one of thier legs off and bugger them to death with it. And then I would get on with my life satisfied in a job well done.

This pretty much. We all have free will, if that is how you CHOOSE to act then **** you and get in this cell. I don't understand the whole rehab thing, they're criminals and they should suffer for their crimes.

You're also incorrect, herpderp, if you continued locking up car criminals, for example for 10 years at a time, then that's 10 less man years worth of car theft ocuring. keep at it like a game of pokemon and you'll get them all.

Perhaps have a life sentence for reoffending - and just put an end to it. If they're stupid enough to re-offend after 10 years of hard labour then we probably don't want these people in our society.

Prisons would also be self sufficient as mentioned above.

 

[chad116]

Nobody should be worried about having there pride and joy stolen. Easiest thing is to do it keep the keys with you at all times. You should not have to put your car in a garage to keep it safe and to be honest new cars nowdays are very difficult to steal to your usual scum, unless they get hold of the keys.

Additional security would be fitting a tracker or immobiliser if you are really worried it may be worth investing in.

Also deterants would be having a parking post or steering lock

Also you usual scum would be just as scared as you whilst trying to steal something so dont be affriad to show them who's boss ! Then again many of them will carry knives so i would not recommend it but if you want them caught it may be the only way......

 

[shoes]

I'd love the opportunity to lay into a burglar with a breaker bar or something. Too bad I couldn't hand the corpse at the end of the drive with a 'burglars beware' sign a la pirate of the caribbean.

 

[JaWalks]

You need a big dog.

 

[MacRS4]

Nobody should be worried about having there pride and joy stolen. Easiest thing is to do it keep the keys with you at all times. You should not have to put your car in a garage to keep it safe and to be honest new cars nowdays are very difficult to steal to your usual scum, unless they get hold of the keys.

Additional security would be fitting a tracker or immobiliser if you are really worried it may be worth investing in.

Also deterants would be having a parking post or steering lock

Also you usual scum would be just as scared as you whilst trying to steal something so dont be affriad to show them who's boss ! Then again many of them will carry knives so i would not recommend it but if you want them caught it may be the only way......

...and there speaks somebody who's never had their car stolen. I've had two, both with immobilisers, alarms, and trackers installed. Neither recovered. First car had a steering lock on it at the time too.

 

[Linkex]

There's a difference between "the usual scum" and professional car thieves. If your car has all of that active and was still taken without the keys, it wasn't some opportunist thief, I'd bet your car was stolen to order.

 

[hurfdurf]

You are rather assuming his intent is to prevent crime, or to rehabilitate the criminals. Perhaps he just wants the little ****ers to suffer?

Brilliant, lets all suffer from more crime, as long as we get to witness some medieval justice, because having my car stolen/vandalised more often will be more than made up for by witnessing a chav get sent to prison for 10 years, an imaginary prison that is some how made self sufficient with unpaid unskilled labour magically being enough to offset the costs of a prison.

 

[Linkex]

Because, rather like the war on drugs, the current system is working so well?

I was previously just pointing out that desire for revenge is a perfectly valid feeling, not suggesting its 'the way forward' but you know what? Your being a tool about it, so **** it.

I would point out that my car got broken into twice when I lived at home. I know it was one of a few people in my area and I know that if we were dealing with these people properly, they would have all been inside for things they had been previously convicted of both times, so don't preach at me like I'm the anti-christ bent on destroying your perfect system. There is metric ass-tons of crime out there, and rehabilitation has not resolved it.

So if you want to challenge my perspective, instead of linking condesending gifs to show how 'obviously' flawed my thinking is, how about you link some research that actually shows a punative approach is less effective than a rehabilitive one?

 

[chad116]

...and there speaks somebody who's never had their car stolen. I've had two, both with immobilisers, alarms, and trackers installed. Neither recovered. First car had a steering lock on it at the time too.

Your usual thief would not have the know how or equipment so steal a car with these security features. Which i would say are the majority - 80%

However the other 20% are proffesional thieves which if your car is targeted by them, There is not a lot you can do about it. There are many ways in which they take the cars from cloning remote key codes to simply loading it straight onto the back of a recovery truck....

 

[shoes]

Brilliant, lets all suffer from more crime, as long as we get to witness some medieval justice, because having my car stolen/vandalised more often will be more than made up for by witnessing a chav get sent to prison for 10 years, an imaginary prison that is some how made self sufficient with unpaid unskilled labour magically being enough to offset the costs of a prison.

Explain why your car would be vandalised more often?

As far as I can see it there is a finite number of criminals, the more we lock up the less that will be outside to **** your stuff up.

If we didn't have such a soft approach to crime then prisons could become self sufficient. Chinese factories make a mint with harsh labour conditions, if we don't have to worry about minimum wage, national insurance, health and safety, unions, working hours, rest entitlement etc. then we could also make a mint off the back of prisons.

but oh no lets rehabilitate the little darlings, they're just misunderstood, after all, aren't they?