Supporting equal rights for gays

realBabelfish · 28 May 2012 at 16:35

estebanrey said:
But in holymonks world we didn't evolve we were 'designed' so he has to explain why we have it.

Or male nipples which I pointed out earlier but has been missed by Mr Monk.

i get it. its why i put a winky face

it defeats their big book very easily.

L0rdMike · 28 May 2012 at 16:47

estebanrey said:
Or male nipples which I pointed out earlier but has been missed by Mr Monk.

Dont men have nipples because we all develope the same some sort of proto female untill hormones kick in?

[Damien] · 28 May 2012 at 16:49

L0rdMike said:
Dont men have nipples because we all develope the same some sort of proto female untill hormones kick in?

Yeah pretty much.

krooton · 28 May 2012 at 16:50

L0rdMike said:
Dont men have nipples because we all develope the same some sort of proto female untill hormones kick in?

Pretty shoddy "design", wouldn't you say?

Matterez · 28 May 2012 at 16:51

holymonk said:
ok, the backalley is only designed to go to the toilet.

Mouths are only designed to eat...

doodah · 28 May 2012 at 16:59

Ascendancy said:
Arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can be the best chess player in the world, but the pigeon is still going to just knock over all the pieces and strut about triumphantly.

Priceless!

Robbo · 28 May 2012 at 17:00

Ascendancy said:
Arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can be the best chess player in the world, but the pigeon is still going to just knock over all the pieces and strut about triumphantly.

holymonk · 28 May 2012 at 18:03

krooton said:
There's no point dude, holymonk lives up to his name, and no amount of convincing will change his view. Just add him to your "don't do any business with" list like I do and leave it at that.

I dread to think what your business would be

Castiel · 28 May 2012 at 18:09

Ascendancy said:
Arguing with a Christian is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can be the best chess player in the world, but the pigeon is still going to just knock over all the pieces and strut about triumphantly.

Pfft.....sweeping comments like that are no better than the sweeping comments from homophobes.

Not every Christian shares the views of the woman in the video.

spudbynight · 28 May 2012 at 18:10

Castiel said:
Pfft.....sweeping comments like that are no better than the sweeping comments from homophobes.

Not every Christian shares the views of the woman in the video.

I believe there is good bigotry and bad bigotry these days.

Castiel · 28 May 2012 at 18:29

holymonk said:
adam and eve not adam and steve

You do realise that many religions and cultures revere Homosexuality...and it it is a relatively new phenomenon to view it negatively.....

Frankly I find the use of scriptures to assert authority over someone based purely on their sexual preference, which is for them and them alone to decide, devalues and debases the message that many scriptures and their authors were trying to portray....if you are a Christian you may want to take a leaf out of it and hate the sin (if you believe it to be so) by all means (as in don't do it, if you do not want to) but do not hate the sinner.

romans 5:8

8 But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us.

col 4:5-6

5 Conduct yourselves wisely towards outsiders, making the most of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer everyone.

So basically you keep your homophobia to yourself, treat everyone with respect, it is not up to you to usurp your God and judge them. That would be a sin in itself, arguably the greater one.

estebanrey · 28 May 2012 at 18:47

Castiel said:
Pfft.....sweeping comments like that are no better than the sweeping comments from homophobes.

I think that expression sums up pretty much all rational arguments versus ones being argued because Christianity says so. It's not saying Christians themselves are stupid, it's saying arguments based on Christianity are.

As someone who has watched hours of debates between the religious and non-religious I would say it's pretty accurate. Athiests tend to argue logic and facts whereas Christian arguments tend to be based on emotion or hope.

TheBigCheese · 28 May 2012 at 18:50

Interesting quotes Castiel.

I think it's simply a case that some people are just bigoted or intolerant and use religion to say it's acceptable.

Tefal · 28 May 2012 at 18:54

krooton said:
Pretty shoddy "design", wouldn't you say?

not really makes do with less parts.

less redundant though but more efficient.

estebanrey · 28 May 2012 at 19:02

Tefal said:
not really makes do with less parts.

less redundant though but more efficient.

But we're invoking God (sticking to holymonk's line of argument), not evolution. Given God can do anything he could have just made nipples develop (or not) after the gender has already been established.

Tefal · 28 May 2012 at 19:04

estebanrey said:
But we're invoking God (sticking to holymonk's line of argument), not evolution. Given God can do anything he could have just made nipples develop (or not) after the gender has already been established.

or he could not.

Just because he's god doesn't mean he's into over engineering things.

estebanrey · 28 May 2012 at 19:07

Tefal said:
or he could not.

Just because he's god doesn't mean he's into over engineering things.

It does if you believe in the Christian God who is supposed to be perfect. He is also omnipotent, so even if he did make an oversight he could easily correct it anytime he wanted.

Tefal · 28 May 2012 at 19:09

estebanrey said:
It does if you believe in the Christian God who is supposed to be perfect. He is also omnipotent, so even if he did make an oversight he could easily correct it anytime he wanted.

no it doesn't.

You having nipples is not an oversight it makes you a simpler, more efficient organism.

estebanrey · 28 May 2012 at 19:12

Tefal said:
no it doesn't.

You having nipples is not an oversight it makes you a simpler, more efficient organism.

Sorry, but as I already said, it would be more efficient (if God designed us) that nipples would develop after the sex is determined.

That way nipples wouldn't need to develop (which requires effort) for 50% of the population which would be more efficient.

Tefal · 28 May 2012 at 19:19

estebanrey said:
Sorry, but as I already said, it would be more efficient (if God designed us) that nipples would develop after the sex is determined.

That way nipples wouldn't need to develop (which requires effort) for 50% of the population which would be more efficient.

no it wouldn't as it would require more complex DNA, as it stands everything that makes you a man fits on a tiny Y chromosome, everything else is common to both (take your Y out and double your X and you have all the genetics of a woman).