Piracy - unbelievable figures.

Sonic Generations was £20 on release for PC and that was my second favourite game of last year. Well worth the money there. When poopy games that I won't need to name come out for £30 or even £40 and beyond it just gets ridiculous.

L4D2 at launch for a tad over £20, that was brilliant, and my second most played game of all time ~400 hours. Shogun 2, under £25 and I have played that for nearly 610 hours. Some publishers/devs take the pee with their franchises, but I'm glad that there are some out there that do get it right for the consumers, sometimes.

Shogun 2 was retail, Generations was on Steam (I bought it on sale a couple months after release for a few quid), and L4D2 was on Steam.

I now find myself trying out Indie games more often, they seem to have just as much playability at a fraction of the cost of the "big" titles.
 
I personally feel that all games unless it's collectors should have a max cost limit of £30, however i'd be happy to pay £20 for most games but anything above 30 is pushing it!. Until such time piracy will be the better demo before any money is put towards an excessively priced game. There should also be a refund guarantee for every game steam or not
 
Game prices need to be reasonable to at least tackle the problem. Waiting a year for a reduction in price in anticipation of a steam sale only will make matters worse as people are not patient.

Add to the fact games today are bugged, glitched, incomplete and publishers are fueled on dlc greed adds fuel to the fire for people to pirate.
 
I personally feel that all games unless it's collectors should have a max cost limit of £30, however i'd be happy to pay £20 for most games but anything above 30 is pushing it!. Until such time piracy will be the better demo before any money is put towards an excessively priced game. There should also be a refund guarantee for every game steam or not

as far as demos etc things like on-live play the first 30 mins is a good start in the right direction but I also disagree on accuracy of figures
 
Its wrong to try a game out via piracy according to you, so by that logic you shouldnt be aloud to enter a house you are thinking about purchasing, you are not aloud to enter the front door until you've given the previous owner the 350,000£ they want, oh and if you don't like it, tough ****

That analogy works both ways though - you cannot just go and take a look around random people's houses and then decide if you want to make them an offer. You have to have their permission to 'demo' the house in the first place.
 
Just cause a game is supposed to suck, it doesn't necessarily mean it will to an individual, I was going to avoid Two Worlds on the Xbox 360 a few years back because of how badly it got slated, but it had a demo so I gave it a go and enjoyed it a lot and purchased it. If I had a PC at the time, and had the game not had a demo, how would I know if I like it? Buy it and potentially hate it, knowing I've just spent £30+ on something I cannot get a refund for? No way man, if a games supposed to be ****, I'll give it a whirl anyway, if I enjoy it I'll buy it, if its what everyone claims to be then I won't, and I'll uninstall it

You don't have the right to do that though; the fact that you might enjoy a game that has been slated is irrelevant. It should be a case of "no demo - no purchase". If you are buying games that have no demos then the devs/publishers will never learn.

Not having a demo for your game is unacceptable ESPECIALLY on the PC platform, as there's no way to tell if you can run it or not, do you just buy the game and not be able to play it?
If it is unacceptable, then people shouldn't be buying the game in the first place - that is implicit acceptance!

My PC far far outspecs the recommended specs for GTA IV yet I can't even play the piece of **** above medium, it doesn't look half as good as Xbox. Therefore GTA IV doesn't deserve my money, neither did it get it and neither did it stay on my HDD for too long.

If you disagree with that, then I don't understand you at all, are you just incredibly rich and can buy any game you feel like and just lol as you through it in the bin if it sucks? You must be or else you wouldn't carry this opinion bro.

I don't necessarily disagree as to whether GTA4 deserves your money or not; in another thread you did describe it as a "great game" though. I'm not incredibly rich but I don't play every game on the market either, the chance would be a fine thing :) Realistically a PC gaming habit should only cost about £50/month on average except for people with a lot of free time or those that insist on buying all the big titles the moment they come out.

Finally I've probably played games I shouldn't have in the past (so I'm not one of those holier-than-thou saints) but that doesn't mean to say that I consider it to be justifiable.
 
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You don't have the right to do that though; the fact that you might enjoy a game that has been slated is irrelevant. It should be a case of "no demo - no purchase". If you are buying games that have no demos then the devs/publishers will never learn.


If it is unacceptable, then people shouldn't be buying the game in the first place - that is implicit acceptance!



I don't necessarily disagree as to whether GTA4 deserves your money or not; in another thread you did describe it as a "great game" though. I'm not incredibly rich but I don't play every game on the market either, the chance would be a fine thing :) Realistically a PC gaming habit should only cost about £50/month on average except for people with a lot of free time or those that insist on buying all the big titles the moment they come out.

Finally I've probably played games I shouldn't have in the past (so I'm not one of those holier-than-thou saints) but that doesn't mean to say that I consider it to be justifiable.

I never claimed piracy was legally correct, but it is morally, so long as it isn't abused. I have, like many; downloaded a game to see how it was, and then uninstalled it if it didn't run well or if I didn't enjoy it after the first hour, so they are in actual fact just demo's. The world isn't as black & white as you claim sir.

A brilliant example would be Skyrim, I owned that on the Xbox 360 and loved it, and now I could afford a new PC and bought one, I sold the 360 on with its games to help with the hole it left in my funds.

Am I wrong for pirating it on PC to see how it runs? Am I wrong for uninstalling it when it ran like ****? Am I wrong for installing it again after 1.5 to check out the memory and coding optimization? It runs almost perfectly on my machine since 1.5, so I'm glad I gave it a second chance.

I never played past Whiterun, I did a lot of modding and all in all had about 2 hours on my save, half of which was mod testing. After having a chance to see what the performance was like, and having the chance to test out the 1.5.4 and 1.6.9 patches for their coding optimization, I'm going to purchase it when I have the available funds.

As for GTA IV, why would it deserve my money when it runs so pathetically despite doing nothing hardware-intensive except generally being a badly coded port. There is no excuse for it, none whatsoever.

I knew before pirating that those two games were amazing ones, yet neither of them have a demo available. Do I not have the right to see whether my machine can actually run them before I buy them? Should I miss out altogether just because it is 'wrong' for me to use an illegal torrent for a demo? Or should I play Russian Roulette and hope to god the game doesn't shoot me in the face and have me waste the money?

If this was the first time I'd seen you on these forums, I'd probably dislike you for your views, but alas I have no quarrels with you good sir, I just wish you'd be a little more open with your views, it is in no way shape or form fair on the consumer to not have a chance to demo a game, especially on a platform like PC where performance can be an issue. I will be pirating GTA 5 as soon as it is available, and I can guarantee you I won't be playing it past the second mission before buying it, nor will I buy it or play it for long if its yet another mess of a port, but Max Payne 3 has given me hope (a game I blindly paid for and thankfully have not regretted, as it runs great).

I have some morals, I won't go and play through a game I have pirated, I only do it to see if I can run it and if I enjoy it, which I have every right to. The same as you have the right to test drive a car before you buy it, or view a house, or try on a piece of clothing in-store. I have never played any game I've pirated for any more than 2 or so hours, except The Elder Scrolls Arena & Daggerfall, but that was only because DOSBox didn't work for me (they are both free from Bethesda's website anyway).

If developers weren't so lazy and gave us demo's, piracy figures would absolutely shatter.
 
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