Throwing money in a dangerous area wont make a difference..

jonneymendoza · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:50

Hi.

you have probably read or heard about this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...atford-shopping-centre-near-Olympic-site.html

i grew up not too far away from stratford and during my time, all i hear from that area is a whole load of negatives, from people stealing stuff off u to people just killing each other.

When london one the olympics i was happy like everyone but when it was later announced that they will build and host it on Stafford i was gutted and since then, couldn't care much about the olympics as a whole.

So fast forward in time, the stadium is complete, shops etc etc have all been re-developed around the area. So has crime rate changed? Nope. Still a ****hole.

Just today i heard lots of people where randomly stealing stuff in the shopping center

Doesn't matter how much money u poor into a area, it wont change the people.

What will change people is a better education. Not building a large shopping centre etc etc.

This wont be the last thats for sure and i fear for the people who are taking part in the olympics. Hope security is very tight for those folks because Stratford is and will always not be a safe place to be in.

Rant over

RomanNose · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:52

Well it does bring jobs into the area, less unemployed and less time on peoples hands could reduce crime right?

norm · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:54

Roll on more London riots during the Olympics in front of the world's media. Wonder what DC would have to say about that.

grudas · 30 Jun 2012 at 22:59

stratford is a hell tbh.. :/ used to hang around there late at nights a lot with bunch of mates :] chased through the shopings fights in parks and all that

never again will i go there without a reason

jonneymendoza · 30 Jun 2012 at 23:01

RomanNose said:
Well it does bring jobs into the area, less unemployed and less time on peoples hands could reduce crime right?

You really think these idiots/scumbags who steal **** and stab people look for jobs? they are unemployed because they are too lazy to go look for one.

godinman · 30 Jun 2012 at 23:02

RomanNose said:
Well it does bring jobs into the area, less unemployed and less time on peoples hands could reduce crime right?

That only works for the genuinley unemployed people who actually want to work, not the scummers in the OP.

RomanNose · 30 Jun 2012 at 23:04

jonneymendoza said:
You really think these idiots/scumbags who steal **** and stab people look for jobs? they are unemployed because they are too lazy to go look for one.

Won't stop people who are already like that but could stop people from becoming like that.

Ricochet J · 30 Jun 2012 at 23:05

"E15 blood. Shank man up, get me fam?"

You can put the Westfield in Stratford, but you can't take the Stratford out of Westfield.

Yamahahahahaha · 30 Jun 2012 at 23:52

They spent £350 million regenerating Deptford. It's still a ****hole.
Building a new park and doing up the highstreet doesn't change anything for anyone.

These areas need a lot of social initiatives (Youth clubs, sports clubs, etc) as well as lots of educational funding and employment training. The problem is, the people these services are aimed at are immigrants, and this leads to two problems:
1) Labour voters are primarily on low and middle incomes, so real social initiatives which improve incomes and quality of life reduce their number of voters (in the long term)
2) Conservative voters do not like their tax monies spent on immigrants, those who haven't contributed, and more generally, the public.
As a result, neither party has any incentive to spend the money and actually make things better in these areas.
Call me cynical but this is exactly what has been happening for the past 30 / 40 years in London.

ants83 · 1 Jul 2012 at 01:41

lipstick on the "pig" will never work,
stay away from scum bag areas.

asim18 · 1 Jul 2012 at 03:16

It's not too bad in Stratford, I've only had my phone robbed at gunpoint only once in 20 years.

grudas · 1 Jul 2012 at 03:22

Asim youre such a poof i cant remember how many times you bragged about being robbed at gun point..

Kamwah · 1 Jul 2012 at 03:31

Money, Education etc etc won't change these bad areas. You've just got to hope that it disappears over time.

Name · 1 Jul 2012 at 04:19

The government don't care about the people, or the sports for that matter. The Olympics is just a huge cash cow for corporations.

My case ? : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ide-Olympic-Stadium-fast-food-restaurant.html

asim18 · 1 Jul 2012 at 04:53

grudas said:
Asim youre such a poof i cant remember how many times you bragged about being robbed at gun point..

Take it easy. I'm actually not bragging at all. And I've mentioned it in no more than two threads.

The Halk · 1 Jul 2012 at 05:00

As soon as you accept that the bad areas can increase or decrease in size then you've accepted that things can change.

I don't think you can change a good area into a bad area...however you can reduce how bad it is, and over time other areas will envelop it.

It's happened in parts of Glasgow and it'll continue to happen.

I don't expect many of you to agree though - this thread looks to be another populist circle jerk.

moogle · 1 Jul 2012 at 05:21

RomanNose said:
Well it does bring jobs into the area, less unemployed and less time on peoples hands could reduce crime right?

Those that got the jobs or even applied most likely wouldn't be those committing the crimes tbh.

It is a ****hole even though money has been poured into making it a little bit nicer. Wouldn't say it's Stratford specifically but Newham in general.

There's always a police murder sign somewhere asking for witnesses.

Efour · 1 Jul 2012 at 08:43

I wouldn't go to Stratford Ilford or Barking without a tech-9, Quran and stabvest.

Tunney · 1 Jul 2012 at 09:08

I live in Stratford and I agree with jonneymendoza - you can't just drop a shopping centre in Stratford and solve all of Newham's problems. It takes proper investment in schools and local services. Unfortunately, that investment can't come from McDonald's and the government isn't willing to make it.

Ricochet J · 1 Jul 2012 at 09:54

asim18 said:
It's not too bad in Stratford, I've only had my phone robbed at gunpoint only once in 20 years.

To be honest most of East London is like that. Having lived in East London around Stratford, Gate, Plaistow, Canning Town, Leyton etc there is not a lot of difference between them.