British Grand Prix 2012, Silverstone - Race 9/20

smr, you are right BUT consider that Alonso has grown up a lot since 2007 (when he behaved like a spoilt brat (as did Hamilton)).

Button is probably the calmest/coolest driver currently in F1, along with Kimi.

When Hamilton slammed into the back of a stationary Kimi, in the pit-lane (was it 2008...I'm not sure), Kimi's reaction was surreal, ie. there was virtually no reaction.
 
Skeeter said:
In terms of the rules, did either the Sky or BBC properly explain this new rule from the FIA about having your wing alongside the rear of the driver infront apparently meaning you have to give up the spot? Sounds utterly retarded.
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Hang on. When did this happen?
 
Sparky-F1 said:
If you are suggesting a driver know's best in this era of F1 then im afraid that is how you come across. Pitting a driver early because his tyres are being destroyed by following another car is a call only the strategy guys can make, leave it to the driver and he comes out behind more traffic and just repeats the process.

Not really a ideal way to look after your tyres and race strategy is it?
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Totally understand your pov, and you may well know a lot more than most around here ( I have no doubt you know more than me:))

However surely its just as wrong for a strategy team to suggest to a driver to make his tyres last another 8 - 10 amount of laps these days in a high wear situation?

Sure the team in MK / pitlane have vital info they need to share with the driver (like how much time he needs to make up to make current strategy work , who he would come out behind/ infront of etc etc) - but Im still convinced that the driver is the best person to make the final call.

This year has changed the situation, with the much finer margins on the tyres evident for different reasons - while a lot can be monitored by the team , only the driver will really know the "feel" of whats going on (altough they may also tend to over-exagerate on occasion) :)
 
A few photos from the weekend, sadly not in the same league as some that have been posted :(.

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I also took quite a few of the Historic Formula One cars on the Friday if anyone's interested.
 
sunama said:
Hang on. When did this happen?
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Apparently the FIA set it out on Sunday morning, but Sky seemed to just gloss over it except for Brundle pointing out how utterly stupid it was a couple of times.

I've not seen a proper explaination of it, but it sounds retarded.
 
Sparky-F1 said:
If you are suggesting a driver know's best in this era of F1 then im afraid that is how you come across. Pitting a driver early because his tyres are being destroyed by following another car is a call only the strategy guys can make, leave it to the driver and he comes out behind more traffic and just repeats the process.

Not really a ideal way to look after your tyres and race strategy is it?
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FrankJH said:
Totally understand your pov, and you may well know a lot more than most around here ( I have no doubt you know more than me:))

However surely its just as wrong for a strategy team to suggest to a driver to make his tyres last another 8 - 10 amount of laps these days in a high wear situation?

Sure the team in MK / pitlane have vital info they need to share with the driver (like how much time he needs to make up to make current strategy work , who he would come out behind/ infront of etc etc) - but Im still convinced that the driver is the best person to make the final call.

This year has changed the situation, with the much finer margins on the tyres evident for different reasons - while a lot can be monitored by the team , only the driver will really know the "feel" of whats going on (altough they may also tend to over-exagerate on occasion) :)
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Absolutely, he's acting like the strategy guys can't get it wrong... lol.

Firstly they DID get it wrong, they clearly had more laps in plan for Hamilton and its clear the plan changed as they tried to cover off Grosjean, a tactic that might have worked last year, but will not work this year. I've said before, they were barely slower than Kimi when he pitted, and exchanged that for being dramatically slower at the end of the race.

LIkewise even the teams who don't routinely screw it up like Ferrari and Red Bull, both screwed up massively at Canada, neither had a good way to beat Hamilton, but they made absolutely the wrong choice (making sure of 2nd/3rd by pitting), and lost a bunch of places by making a ruddy awful choice. Even in that race Mclaren's strategy guys said without question that Alonso and Vettel would pit so Hamilton had nothing to worry about, wrong again.

Almost every time someone has pitted to cover someone off, its backfired, that isn't working this year, the tyres are so much more of a key issue.

Alonso to do one less stop at canada should have let Hamilton go, his pace wasn't bad, but instead of do another 5 laps slightly slower, he got new tyres and was insanely slow in the last 5 laps. The Mclaren call to pit to get infront of Grosjean was a huge mistake, and he was lucky that Schumi was really the only other fast car on the day(or that Hamilton was already slow, if he was say 3rd, that decision would have cost him a lot more points).

Then there is the simple other factor, you can find a gap to put a car in.... that doesn't mean it will always be there. You're following car x and losing time, so get the pitstop ready, and car x pits as well, you get screwed. carx pits the next lap, manages to get out infront, screwed again, car Y pits, or in Mclaren's case, do a 14 second pit instead of a 4 second pit and get stuck behind someone else.

This year, having good fresh tyres for as much of the race as possible is much more useful than getting a few good laps earlier in the race but forcing a stupidly long stint at the end.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Absolutely, he's acting like the strategy guys can't get it wrong... lol.
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I don't think he is.

What he is trying to say is that the strategy guys are more likely to get it right, as they are more informed of 'the bigger picture'.

Bear in mind, it isn't just him. McLaren (and I'm sure they will have had 1000s of meeting and committees to decide what the best procedure for deciding the strategy is), have decided that the strategy team are the best people to decide on the strategy. If you notice, even Button has fallen into line with this way of thinking.
 
james allen seems convinced schumacher is staying for atleast 1 more year
33. Posted By: Geee
Date: July 10th, 2012 @ 11:48 am

Damn it! I really hope this doesn’t mean everyone holds station for next season… Again!(with some exceptions on the mid field pack of course)

Next we’ll hear Massa is staying put too…

Schumi to Ferrari anyone?! I can dream eh;)


James Allen Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Schumacher is staying for another year at Mercedes

Rich in Norway Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Really? Is this definite?


James Allen Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

Yes!

AndrewM Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

How can you be so sure James that Micheal is staying? will it be a 1 or a 2 year deal?

James Allen Reply:
July 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Just what I heard
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arknor said:
lol really the over hyped di resta is a suitable replacement in your dreams maybe
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Than a 45 year old man with 1 podium in 3 years.... yep.

But I was thinking more along the lines of Hamilton or Massa or any of the young drivers they have. There are plenty of drivers in the market place that are both likely to perform better than Schumacher, and stick around longer.
 
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