I can't really remember fully but I think it was Cashley who prodded him out the door but I also remember him hearing that he wanted us to match the wages Pool were offering, Cashley loled at this.
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I can't really remember fully but I think it was Cashley who prodded him out the door but I also remember him hearing that he wanted us to match the wages Pool were offering, Cashley loled at this.
I'm still failing to see what Fergie said that you've taken exception to?
From what I can gather from the quotes Fergie has told Berbatov he'd accept 5m for him and it's just the media who are pricing him at 10m, for me that's Fergie (short of giving him away for free) giving Berbatov the very best shot of finding another club.
that's a good angle and one i hadn't thought of tbh. maybe the fee is a sign of respect by ferguson in him making it easier for the move to happen as opposed to him undervaluing him.
i've only ever really thought of marks of respect and importance being part of the reason behind large fees. modric is a good example of this. i hope modric understands that levy isn't just being greedy, the price he's demanding is also a mark of respect.
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Any news on medal thief trying to engineer a move to Everton?
Surprised he hasn't got his marketing team to spam Channel 4 with 'Michael Owen wouldn't look out of place in Hollyoaks and he wouldn't look out of place in your team' adverts now he's been dumped by United the desperate little Judas cripple
Surprised he hasn't got his marketing team to spam Channel 4 with 'Michael Owen wouldn't look out of place in Hollyoaks and he wouldn't look out of place in your team' adverts now he's been dumped by United the desperate little Judas cripple
Lots of Liverpool fans would disagree but 75-80k
Local press where told that he didn't want to go but would if we dint match Liverpool offer. Thats how we know his wages
Any news on medal thief trying to engineer a move to Everton?
Surprised he hasn't got his marketing team to spam Channel 4 with 'Michael Owen wouldn't look out of place in Hollyoaks and he wouldn't look out of place in your team' adverts now he's been dumped by United the desperate little Judas cripple
Ah someone who hates Owen as much as me
On the Man Utd front it seems to me that our final transfer target of this window is this Lucas lad, if we remember last week Fergie said they were working on getting 1 more in (possibly 2 but unlikely) and it's Lucas that's being spoke about the most since then, most obvious problem I have with this proposed transfer though is yet again we're going after a player who isn't a central midfielder 
I can believe the interest is there for Lucas though even at the fee being speculated at, after all we were seemingly willing to spend 30m on Hazard so why not this lad who's 2 years younger and from what I've read has much more potential? Ultimately I doubt the move will happen though as like the Hazard deal we will get priced out for one reason or another.
Seriously though Fergie what will it take before you address central midfield?
I can believe the interest is there for Lucas though even at the fee being speculated at, after all we were seemingly willing to spend 30m on Hazard so why not this lad who's 2 years younger and from what I've read has much more potential? Ultimately I doubt the move will happen though as like the Hazard deal we will get priced out for one reason or another.
Seriously though Fergie what will it take before you address central midfield?
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On the Man Utd front it seems to me that our final transfer target of this window is this Lucas lad, if we remember last week Fergie said they were working on getting 1 more in (possibly 2 but unlikely) and it's Lucas that's being spoke about the most since then, most obvious problem I have with this proposed transfer though is yet again we're going after a player who isn't a central midfielder
I can believe the interest is there for Lucas though even at the fee being speculated at, after all we were seemingly willing to spend 30m on Hazard so why not this lad who's 2 years younger and from what I've read has much more potential? Ultimately I doubt the move will happen though as like the Hazard deal we will get price out of it for one reason or another.
Seriously though Fergie what will it take before you address central midfield?
Yes, the Lucas stuff does seem to have some weight.
We're not offering enough money though at the moment, £20m + clauses and they want £30m. I could see us settling on £25m? To be honest, Young cost the best part of £20m so it's hardly outrageous, especially if he turns out to be as good as people think - something really special.
Aye from what I've read it seems there could be a touch of the Cristiano's about him (shame the price isn't the same though, I suspect no one will ever pick up a talent like him for that price again though) our record with Brazilians isn't great though - Kleberson, Anderson, to an extent the twins, none have been resounding success stories (in fact all probably come closer to being under the flop category more than anything else)
Cant see it happing myself (wages/fee) but it's clear Liverpool are trying to offload him now.
Update: BBC Radio 5 reported on Sunday night that Liverpool had dismissed Newcastle's offer as "not close to their requirements".
If I was Liverpool and was guaranteed to get 15m in two season they should take it.
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After the Aquilani farce we'd be wise to avoid any such deals. Having said that, we've proven ourselves to be unwise many times over the last few years so we're more likely to give him away on a free and offer to pay 100% of his wages in the process
Now there's a plan for Downing and Adams
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I'm sure we're looking to get shot of him but I doubt it will be at any cost and unless it was heavily weighted in Liverpool's favour, I can't imagine that we'll consider a loan to Newcastle.
For such deal to happen, there will need to be a guaranteed transfer for a decent fee at the end of the loan and a sizable loan fee I'd have thought.
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Fact is that if you got rid of Carroll for 5mil, that is 5 mil more than you have now and what 3-4mil a season you won't be wasting on wages on him for 3 or so more seasons(how long was his deal?), so keep him, bench him and barely playing him will cost you lets call it 9 mil at least, or get 5mil now... that is a difference of 14million. Or ask for 20mil, never get shot of him and lose all his wages.
Too many teams hold out for too much, its one thing if the player is good and wil play excellently for you if you don't get the right money to lose him, but ultimately almost every penny you spend on Carroll now is a waste, the more money you don't waste the better.
Anyway, another story saying Liverpool are looking at buying Walcott, would be fantastic, 15mil as well, lol. It would turn out to be truly epic if RVP is only pretending he wants to leave, to make Walcott think its a great idea to leave, have Arsenal wrap up the move then RVP signs a new 5 year contract and everyone laughs at Walcott
Too many teams hold out for too much, its one thing if the player is good and wil play excellently for you if you don't get the right money to lose him, but ultimately almost every penny you spend on Carroll now is a waste, the more money you don't waste the better.
Anyway, another story saying Liverpool are looking at buying Walcott, would be fantastic, 15mil as well, lol. It would turn out to be truly epic if RVP is only pretending he wants to leave, to make Walcott think its a great idea to leave, have Arsenal wrap up the move then RVP signs a new 5 year contract and everyone laughs at Walcott
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It would turn out to be truly epic if RVP is only pretending he wants to leave, to make Walcott think its a great idea to leave, have Arsenal wrap up the move then RVP signs a new 5 year contract and everyone laughs at Walcott
You know, I can imagine you sitting there, thinking of ideas on how to get rid of Walcott and this one is probably one of the best.
If anyone is interested in him we should definitely offload, he's utter turd, he has about 4 good games a season at a push.
Newcastle are set to make a permanent take it or leave it offer in the next day or two.
Cant see it being over 13-14million and tbh would not want it to be that much. I would hazard a guess the offer would be around 12m all up front and wave our sell on clause if there is one.
Liverpool got burnt just depends if they want to keep running with that hot coal in their hands or get rid
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I have no idea why Newcastle are even looking for the deal, they've been so smart up to this point. The thing is, there are better players, there are better players for the same or even less money, theres little to no reason to need to buy Carroll. Newcastle play a very different type of football to when Carroll left, freekicks, corners, Nolan and Carroll scoring, not that team anymore, not even close, complete turn around in the past 18 months, completely different style of strikers, wingers, creative midfield all playing a completely different style of football. Carroll isn't nearly as one dimensional as Liverpool fans like to say, but he's still not the best footballer they can get for any money, let alone 15mil.
One potential outside reason is, why I said Utd are going for Baines, when you have a 25 man squad but can only have 17 non home grown, it is very important to have the other 8 slots filled, even more so when you're playing in Europe as well as two domestic cups and the league.
Thing is, Newcastle would be better buying Baines, they need full backs, they need to think longer term and having quality players. It's not about today, but in 2 years you want both Ameobi's gone, Simpson will probably be gone, at that point you either have an established very good home grown players brought in, or you end up panick buying every available English start going for way overprice(Liverpool much) and end up with an expensive squad you can't get rid of who simply aren't good enough.
I'd think Baines, while looking to replace Cole for England, would view first team at Newcastle as a much stronger move than second string or rotation for Utd.
One potential outside reason is, why I said Utd are going for Baines, when you have a 25 man squad but can only have 17 non home grown, it is very important to have the other 8 slots filled, even more so when you're playing in Europe as well as two domestic cups and the league.
Thing is, Newcastle would be better buying Baines, they need full backs, they need to think longer term and having quality players. It's not about today, but in 2 years you want both Ameobi's gone, Simpson will probably be gone, at that point you either have an established very good home grown players brought in, or you end up panick buying every available English start going for way overprice(Liverpool much) and end up with an expensive squad you can't get rid of who simply aren't good enough.
I'd think Baines, while looking to replace Cole for England, would view first team at Newcastle as a much stronger move than second string or rotation for Utd.
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Ultimately any club wanting long term success needs to balance outgoing money with ingoing. You can get a new better striker, but with a pretty huge wage bill and not a lot of champs league money you need to get rid of wages to put on new wages.
35mil is irrelevant, its gone and they won't get that money back, its a clean slate and as of today they have X weeks left on his contract at X amount a week(at a guess this is roughly 3 years and roughly 3-4 mil a year, so 9-12mil total). They can sell him and SAVE that money spent, keep him and play him, keep him and not play him. One of those is pure money down the drain, one of those is pure profit, and one of those depends entirely on how good he is AND if they could spend that money on a different player who would be much better.
Getting shot of not very good players is BETTER value than keeping someone who isn't good enough. I keep saying Arsenal's biggest problem is the money we waste every year on players who don't play. Most people could comfortably see Diaby is offering nothing to Arsenal yet Wenger insists on new contracts and sticking to the idea he might be useful in the future. if we'd got shot of him 4 years ago(and Denilson, Djourou, etc, etc) we could have saved 10's of millions.
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