I've lost my northern accent. Leicester is to blame.

[elmarko]

To be fair.

"According to Ward O. Conner who wrote a book about John Langson Down, since people with Down syndrome may have epicanthic folds, Down syndrome was widely called "Mongol" or "Mongoloid Idiocy".

In slang usage the term came to be used as an insult. A shortened version of the term, **** or mongol, is also used in the United Kingdom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

"Down Syndrome is prominent epicanthic folds. In Zellweger syndrome, epicanthic folds are prominent. Other examples are fetal alcohol syndrome, phenylketonuria, and Turner syndrome"

It's not the nicest term.

As it's base when used as an insult is either racist, or insulting the disabled (not implying that's it's intended use now).

 

[Andr3w]

Since joining the military a lot of the 'yorkshireness' in my accent has gone

 

[Castiel]

It isn't the term and I'm not offended, it would take far more than a bad attitude from someone acting like an 8 year old child to offend me, it is your attitude to other members in recent days that I find distasteful. It is simply a form a bullying and I don't hold with that.

And calling someone stupid is indeed a personal attack, however you try to justify it.

 

[InKursion]

To be fair.

"According to Ward O. Conner who wrote a book about John Langson Down, since people with Down syndrome may have epicanthic folds, Down syndrome was widely called "Mongol" or "Mongoloid Idiocy".

In slang usage the term came to be used as an insult. A shortened version of the term, **** or mongol, is also used in the United Kingdom."

It's not the nicest term.

Language use changes, that's all you should be aware of. Many terms have semantically shifted to go from positive- to negative- modifiers or descriptors. 'Wicked' 150 years ago meant 'terrible' and 'evil', whereas today it means something quite different.

Ward O. Conner's book was published in the 1860's, no?

I'm sure you can find a lot of words in the literature of that period that are used completely differently today. Nobody is calling a person with Downs Syndrome a nasty word in this thread. I used an exclusively Northern joke-slang term in a thread about a person losing his especial 'Northern'-ness.

Quit being soft.

 

[El Jimben]

you don't understand Britain yet, do you? The whole of Essex = chavs.

Trust me, I would not be living here still if that was the case. There are a lot of them though

 

[antijoke]

Language use changes, that's all you should be aware of. Many terms have semantically shifted to go from positive- to negative- modifiers or descriptors. 'Wicked' 150 years ago meant 'terrible' and 'evil', whereas today it means something quite different.

Ward O. Conner's book was published in the 1860's, no?

I'm sure you can find a lot of words in the literature of that period that are used completely differently today. Nobody is calling a person with Downs Syndrome a nasty word in this thread. I used an exclusively Northern joke-slang term in a thread about a person losing his especial 'Northern'-ness.

Quit being soft.

Stop being so gay about the whole thing.

 

[elmarko]

Language use changes, that's all you should be aware of. Many terms have semantically shifted to go from positive- to negative- modifiers or descriptors. 'Wicked' 150 years ago meant 'terrible' and 'evil', whereas today it means something quite different.

Ward O. Conner's book was published in the 1860's, no?

I'm sure you can find a lot of words in the literature of that period that are used completely differently today. Nobody is calling a person with Downs Syndrome a nasty word in this thread. I used an exclusively Northern joke-slang term in a thread about a person losing his especial 'Northern'-ness.

Quit being soft.

Any anybody who went to school with a P.H.U in the last 30 years if the term "****" has been used against the disabled.

It's not like we live in a world in which "****/spastic" are not used still to belittle the disabled any-more.

I was simply pointing out the term isn't as innocuous as you made it out to be.

 

[Castiel]

"You menk!" with a smiley-face is a "form of bullying"?

Stop being ridiculous, please. Making a big deal out of nothing.

If you had actually used a smiley-face emoticon then you may have a point (a weak one, but one nonetheless) and this began (in this thread, I won't even mention the headphone incident, or the recent attack on magnolia etc) by your post insinuating that the OP education was inferior to your own, when someone called you on it, you resorted to insulting him as well...you may try to justify it as banter and banter has its place, however your recent choices of where and when to use such banter seems inappropiate at best.

 

[spacedskunk]

Any accent that is stereotyped as 'well-spoken' or 'posh' is generally spoken with a slower tempo compared to Northern accents, so it usually is easier to understand.

Experience of working in a call centre has meant I'm more able to understand a broad amount of accents whereas before I struggled with certain ones but I can now understand people easily. It isn't that people miss out words or say locally known terms, it's all in the tempo.

 

[Castiel]

Reported.

You rtm'd a gif!.......

 

[antijoke]

Reported.

Reported me?

Why I was only saying stop being so care free about the whole thing .

 

[HeX]

Thanks there seems to be some hope if I spend time with mancs, but I rarely get the opportunity now as I work in Leeds.

Leeds... Manchester... hardly any difference in accent tbh. Probably a few local colloquial terms that are different.

When I moved from Doncaster to Huddersfield I barely noticed a difference in accent, and Leeds is much the same as Hudds, and my mate from Manc sounded just the same so...

However the fact the Chip Shop called scraps 'bits' really threw me off.

Also when going to the sandwich shop I was very confused when she asked me if I wanted my chicken on a 'teacake'... which to me is a fruitcake type effort... I was like... "Er, no I'll just have it in a bap thanks...", she just looked at me funny...

 

[dazzerd]

Firstly - I hate you Leicester.

After completing University whilst studying at DeMontfraud in Leicester for 5 years, my northern charm and accent has all but dissapeared.

I feel violated that my accent was slowly infected and I didn't even realise it until I came back up Norf and my mates said "what the **** has happened to your accent man?". Even years later the Leicester accent has mutated into mine and I can't seem to shake it off. Will vocal couching bring it back? Or am I forever diseased?

Please help a friendly Mancunian.

You should be ashamed of yourself in assimilating with the southern/semi southern jessies

I was in uni in London for 5 years and have been in winchester for 7. I still take pride in me having to repeat myself using a much slower tempo, so these slow witted southerners can understand

 

[InKursion]

Any anybody who went to school with a P.H.U in the last 30 years if the term "****" has been used against the disabled.

It's not like we live in a world in which "****/spastic" are not used still to belittle the disabled any-more.

I was simply pointing out the term isn't as innocuous as you made it out to be.

I didn't go to a school with a PHU, evidently, as I have never heard the word '****' used offensively. It's one of the most harmless sounding words in the whole English language! And not to mention, again, I used the word 'menk', which means a dim-witted person, and has no semantic or etymological tie to Mongolian people or epicanthic folds or a history of Downs abuse. Thank you kindly for noting that.

 

[Castiel]

It's not like we live in a world in which "****/spastic" are not used still to belittle the disabled any-more.

Which is precisely what he has been doing in recent days, belittling people at every opportunity.

It stinks!

 

[InKursion]

If you had actually used a smiley-face emoticon then you may have a point (a weak one, but one nonetheless) and this began (in this thread, I won't even mention the headphone incident, or the recent attack on magnolia etc) by your post insinuating that the OP education was inferior to your own, when someone called you on it, you resorted to insulting him as well...you may try to justify it as banter and banter has its place, however your recent choices of where and when to use such banter seems inappropiate at best.

I don't know what my education has to do with anything... in this thread I said he must hate what he called 'De MontFraud' because he was there for 5 years. Surely that implies he repeated two years? And as I have explained clearly elsewhere, I disliked Magnolia's thread because it's basically just spam, not because "oh he lacks an MFA in Creative Writing". I think you're reading my posts for meanings I'm not even intending myself.

 

[estebanrey]

Reported.

 

[Castiel]

I don't know what my education has to do with anything... in this thread I said he must hate what he called 'De MontFraud' because he was there for 5 years. Surely that implies he repeated two years? And as I have explained clearly elsewhere, I disliked Magnolia's thread because it's basically just spam, not because "oh he lacks an MFA in Creative Writing". I think you're reading my posts for meanings I'm not even intending myself.

If you say so......I would be surprised if many people actually believed that however.

I am just disappointed that you have turned out to be the kind of poster who doesn't offer anything positive in the threads you contribute to and it seems I have over estimated you somewhat.

It is a shame and I hope you recent behaviour is an aberration rather than permanent because we could potentially have much to debate and discuss.

 

[DefiantAsh]

Which is precisely what he has been doing in recent days, belittling people at every opportunity.

It stinks!

So does his breath.



^ none personal attack escape emoticon

 

[InKursion]

If you say so......I would be surprised if many people actually believed that however.

I am just disappointed that you have turned out to be the kind of poster who doesn't offer anything positive in the threads you contribute to and it seems I have over estimated your character.

I'm disappointed that you hold yourself in such regard that you think I'm going to be affected by this change in any way.