Why on earth should he take a weak ass offer. He's pretty poor, he's absolutely not top class and never ever will be, he hasn't the talent nor the physical attributes to make up for it, but Fergie has categorically made clear he is the number 2 striker at Utd, he's ahead of the well over 100k a week 30mil Berbatov and ahead of Hernandez, England ridiculously started him in the Euro's also. If he had played the number of games Berbatov had and was complaining about a weak deal you'd have a point, but Fergie made him the number 2 striker at what is the biggest club in the league, in his position if that is what my club decided i was, I'd want to be treated like it.
Haters going to hate? Are you talking about Rooney or Utd that I hate? Because aside from sticking up for Berbatov, I also stick up for Scholes and Neville when your fans have decided to stick the boot in to both.
The ONLY stats you posted that are actually relevant are the ones I left, and they only tell part of the story, and here is the rest of it. RVP has almost matched his league goal ratio DESPITE BEING AT A WORSE TEAM, he has beaten Rooney's goal ratio for national side but, neither are particularly useful measures as 85-90% of international games are against such truly awful sides it really doesn't matter.
No, what I posted is relevant. Like a lot of people on here over the years, they have always put United players on a pedestal to be shot at and knocked down. Pointing out there individual areas of improvement and making their own players out to be the better player.
Paul Scholes 11 - Steven Gerrard 0 but Gerrard the best by a generation by far
Wayne Rooney is
Miles worse than RVP, Medals table says ********
Danny Mills was is and always will be a better defender than Gary Neville. Yes had that 'debate' with Gilly when he wasn't a Don
Phil Neville is **** and stole a living - Oh how any of the other 19 teams in the Prem would love a model Pro who was a consistent 7/10 pretty much every game, got on with and played with the same love of the game into his 30's.
The list is endless but what people fail to see is that in the Utd team they are more than the sum of their parts. No team carries players like we do because every fan I know thinks their players are better than ours position for position and it has been like that for many many years.
The stats don't lie nor do the medal tables. If RVP was that much better than Rooney, he would have ****** off quite a few years ago.
DM said:
Lets point out some other things, Rooney started as a striker, has been a first team striker his entire time there and has rarely struggled with injury.
RVP came to Arsenal as really a winger, he mostly played wide or not as the main striker, he's got a better minutes per goal than Rooney(only just) in the league. As for appearances, of all Rooney's Utd appearances only 21 have been as sub(in the league), RVP has appeared 45 times as a sub, over twice as much, despite playing significantly less. Game time wise RVP has played significantly less than Rooney, while still having a high goal scoring ratio per game, that only improves in terms of per minute played. Some of that was due to injury, much due to his first two years simply not being a certain starter, less on ability and more due to the other strikers we had.
Guff aside are there goals per game ratio drastically different, a simple yes or no is what is required
DM said:
But none of this changes the fact that RVP IS a much better player. He's only played as an out and out striker for the past 18 months, and he's beaten what Rooney has done playing as an out and out striker. Before that he played deeper, starting off more on the wing then playing as a withdrawn striker more often. He was better at both of these roles than Rooney.
Again showing your not in charge of all the facts. At United you are coached to play as Lone Striker, Play off the Striker, Left Forward, Right Forward. Are you saying that when he has played off and scored less, he has made less of a contribution because again, the league titles table suggest otherwise. The only thing you need to take from this is that league titles = consistency, not stuffiness, not not lucky for 38 games, not an average player who was carried by the rest of the team, it's CONSISTENCY
DM said:
It's really very simple, best passer, RVP, best finisher, RVP, best vision/creativity, RVP, best movement, RVP.
Purely subjective. Goals scoring is pretty much identical all over the shop so waste of time debating it with you really
DM said:
Rooney has no stand out part of his game, because he isn't a stand out player
Who really gives a flying fig if true. Leagues, cups and medals are won by the best
TEAM Ask any Liverpool fan who watched them in the 70s and 80s. There is one thing they excelled at and that was the
best management team that brought together a good bunch of players to make them worth a lot more than their individual parts. I have heard it so many times before. Newcastle and Liverpool fans bleating on about Shearer and Fowler being the better more natural 'finisher' than Andy Cole. I could not give a flying fig. In 20 years time when there will be all the big reunions do you think Andy Cole will shed a tear when all the medals weigh heavy round his neck and Alan Shearer and Robbie Fowler walk onto their respective pitches to a rapturous applause. Great being a legend, sucks to come 2nd.
DM said:
He's had the best team behind him his entire career at Utd, and has as a consequence done particularly well. Every part of RVP's game is better than Rooney's, some a little better, some a LOT better. Goal measure alone can't show that and neither can title count, do you want to compare Rooney's title count to a whole host of other Utd players, is Quinton Fortune a better player than RVP, or Fabregas, because he's won a bunch more titles than both...... no.
That's the point though, it's a team game. Your trying to prove every part of RVP game is better than Rooneys game back it up
....Twice
