** ALL NEW (WITH RULES) Summer Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Elokobi supposedly next. This i am less bothered about, as Ward is much better than him, and other than being massively built, hasn't proven himself to be that good. Decent ,but not great

Yeah, out of the LB's we had last season I would have taken Cunningham but Bristol City have acted quickly on got him in, bright young talent. Elokobi I'll definitely not turn my nose up at, especially given our complete lack of defence

He is as you say, far more about being an absolute brick wall than a technically talented defender, I saw players too scared to take him on last season but saw others get a lot of change against him too if they gave it a go.
 
Yeah, out of the LB's we had last season I would have taken Cunningham but Bristol City have acted quickly on got him in, bright young talent. Elokobi I'll definitely not turn my nose up at, especially given our complete lack of defence

He is as you say, far more about being an absolute brick wall than a technically talented defender, I saw players too scared to take him on last season but saw others get a lot of change against him too if they gave it a go.

Yeah, he's a bit of a scary bloke. Cheap enough I would imagine if Guerdioura was only £1m, Big George will be less, and for less than £2m for the pair, represents good value! I could be wrong though, maybe he'll go for more!
 
Considering Gibbs, Djourou, most of our other young defenders, I wouldn't be massively enthusiastic about it, our younger defenders are pretty awful. Who has a clue if he'll do well, his job isn't about organising defence, he's the assistant manager, maybe he'll help there, maybe he won't.

Some defenders turn into great attacking coaches, because they can tell a striker how to play against a defender, some defenders make great defensive coaches, some great defenders make awful coaches.

having a competant left and right back will do more for our defence than a new coach, but good coach and good players is the only way to a great defence.

What we lacked was a proper DM, Arteta was good but still not good enough, the fact that we barely won(but for the last game of the season) without Arteta as DM suggests we have no suitable backup. While I like Arteta and he's FAR better than Song there, its not his best position and we can certainly improve there, a new DM to cover the defence and organise the midfield, with Arteta/Wilshire alongside said new DM would give us an incredibly capable defensive midfield. Arteta/Wilshire both great at winning the ball, closing, and covering runs/blocking gaps, but great at going forwards as well

Look at Barca, overall not particularly good defence with only one player in Puyol who I'd call a top defender(and he missed a huge portion of the past 2 seasons), their defence comes from Xavi, Busquets, Fabregas/Iniesta being great defensively, with the attacking players also being awesome going forwards. Midfield is KEY to a great defence, and Song/Denilson/Ramsey/Theo/Gervinho are all basically rubbish at the defensive side of their game.

One specialised defensive player with a couple great attacking players who are also great defending would give our back four immense protection.

Priority would be DM, right back, left back at this point, we don't have an out and out DM in the squad, we need a top left and right back but money wise we spent big wages and a fee on Santos and likely can't get rid of him. DM though, Wenger said no to M'villa because "Diaby should be coming back and is first choice for France".... I'm not sure if he realises that M'villa is fairly defensive and Diaby is attrocious defensively or not, but I think that is going to screw our season, Wenger thinking Diaby will both play a part(he won't) and be good enough(he's not).

First proper preseason game today, however afaik Podolski and Giroud aren't with the team yet, and won't be ready for the start of the season probably. So thanks to Wenger's prannying around we'll likely start the season with Chamakh or Gervinho upfront, neither of which fill me with confidence. We really should try and get good value from the RVP deal by getting Berbatov in exchange, would be awesome, is a great player, is ready for the start of the season and good in this league. 15mil + Berbatov or something would be fantastic for us.

I do agree that we need a DM, however Wenger is a stuborn old fart. If he cant get the exact player he wants he wont sing anyone, which in the long run is commendable, when eventually we do sing someone he has been chasding for a while, but football doesnt work like that wen the likes of Man city and Chlesea have monopoloy money to trow away, leaving every one else who plays by the rules playing chase.

I dont understand why we are linked with Carzola? I dont think this is a position we need to strengen at all. Much better to get a DM, but then again out midfiled is congested, with Ramsey, Diaby, Arteta, Wiltshere, Song, Coquelin, We would need to sell either Ramsey or Diaby to accomodate a new DM.

Not sure about new RB and LB. We need to give Santos a chance and Sangna is good. What we need is able backups.

Who knows if wenger is planing a change in formation? im very happy about Podolski siging, for years I have thought he was a good player. So when I heared the gunners would sign him I was happy.

Whether we sell RVP or not, we need a new striker. Sell Chamhk as he is shizzle and bring someone capable of 10-15 goals a season.

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And we have Frimpong who I rate very highly! He's an out and out DM.
 
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Over individual games Nani may well come out better, but Valencia's consistancy is much more worthy of the team over the whole season

"One of the best " including his often painful accuracy & selfishness? Yur having a laugh

More assists and more goals than Valencia despite most of the time having to play on his weaker side.

You can bang the Valencia drum as long and as hard as you like, the facts wont change.

Despite possibly having his BEST ever season at united, and Nani supposedly being a great big sack of rubbish, Valencia only managed to contribute to 18 league goals last year (4 of which he scored himself) (Nani scored 8 of his himself)


Exactly the same amount of combined goals as Nani, who was awful!!! and should be sold!

Across the previous seasons the results are not even close, Nani roundly trounces him on all fronts.

You dont rate Nani because he gets in to positions more often, and takes more shots, where as Valencia very rarely gets into goal scoring positions, because he isnt as good a player.

Ergo, the "Wasteful selfish" Nani, seems to be only living for himself, and good old plays for the team Valencia is this wonderful consistent player, who in reality is only consistent in the fact that he consistently contributes less than Nani.
 
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I think this could be Nani's year at United. We are starting to put more of an emphesis on players with quick feet and good movement which will suit Nani. He was one of Portugals best players at the Euros and had everything not had to go through Ronaldo, he would have been even better.

His link up with Kagawa and Rooney could be very tasty.

Rumours about Moura are starting to wind down now I doubt we will hear too much more till after the Olympics now.
 
More assists and more goals than Valencia despite most of the time having to play on his weaker side.

You can bang the Valencia drum as long and as hard as you like, the facts wont change.

Despite possibly having his BEST ever season at united, and Nani supposedly being a great big sack of rubbish, Valencia only managed to contribute to 18 league goals last year (4 of which he scored himself) (Nani scored 8 of his himself)


Exactly the same amount of combined goals as Nani, who was awful!!! and should be sold!

Across the previous seasons the results are not even close, Nani roundly trounces him on all fronts.

You dont rate Nani because he gets in to positions more often, and takes more shots, where as Valencia very rarely gets into goal scoring positions, because he isnt as good a player.

Ergo, the "Wasteful selfish" Nani, seems to be only living for himself, and good old plays for the team Valencia is this wonderful consistent player, who in reality is only consistent in the fact that he consistently contributes less than Nani.

If you believe in stats and only stats then this is the kind of meaninless jibberish that will result

A player can easily have a telling contribution to a goal without providing the shot itself or the assist.


His link up with Kagawa and Rooney could be very tasty.
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His linkup with Rooney isnt likely to change...........
 
Veron was a great player not utilized correctly, Anderson is a attacking midfielder who Fergie has tried his best to ruin by trying to hammer him into some kind of combative defensive midfielder that Anderson is really rubbish at being.

Without being the picker of nits, Anderson played the entire Under 17's World Cup as a Defensive midfielder in 2005 and for Porto he made 18 appearances for Porto and 19 for Gremio. He was bought as a developing talent rather than the pigen holed attacking midfielder you suggest. Just sayin like ;)
 
His linkup with Rooney isnt likely to change...........

I don't see why not. Teams play in a certain style when they have a particular set of players. Without many players who are comfortable with short sharp passes what is the point in trying to attack in that manner. Look at how we played in the first 5 or so games this season compared to the middle and latter stages of the season.

Its much more wing based crossing as the season progresses. Its no surprise that Scholes and Carrick were running the midfield when we were doing that.

With Cleverley, Anderson, Rooney, Nani and Kagawa who are all comfortable playing a pass and move game I really hope we don't play like most of last season.
 
I think this could be Nani's year at United. We are starting to put more of an emphesis on players with quick feet and good movement which will suit Nani. He was one of Portugals best players at the Euros and had everything not had to go through Ronaldo, he would have been even better.

Personally I'm worried about Nani's future at the club, he's never been one of the first names on the team sheet as it is but given Kagawa will more than likely be deployed from the left (like Silva is for City) and Fergie's love for Tony V on the right I can see his playing time reduced even more. Then there's the question mark over his contractual situation - 2 years left on his current deal and yet to sign an extension....

If we lose him next summer someone will be getting a bargain :(
 
Exactly the same amount of combined goals as Nani, who was awful!!! and should be sold!

Across the previous seasons the results are not even close, Nani roundly trounces him on all fronts.

You dont rate Nani because he gets in to positions more often, and takes more shots, where as Valencia very rarely gets into goal scoring positions, because he isnt as good a player.

Ergo, the "Wasteful selfish" Nani, seems to be only living for himself, and good old plays for the team Valencia is this wonderful consistent player, who in reality is only consistent in the fact that he consistently contributes less than Nani.

Lol it was funny i was at a mates watching the football and his dad was there and i said watch out for Nani's celebrations he has the ability to do a full 360 flip from standing..Mate said, wouldnt know havent seen him score for a while...

Obviously he scored that game and gave it the big celebration i was like :cool:

(cant remember if it was against spurs as my mates dad is a spurs fan or whether it was a double header and spurs were on next..)

But also Nani's goal against City down the middle! Ive said it all before, but Valencia is a good consistent work'a'day player who will run up and down and whip the cross in a lot.

Nani has skill and can beat a man from a standing position, with trickery. He can bring something different when Valencia cannot.
 
This thread is brilliant for reading fans defending the potential high bids that their teams are going for.

It's like TIA amplified by ten thousand. :D
 
It's interesting that you've been saying that people should be more excited about signing proven talents, that they've seen first-hand, rather than a 'promising talent' from South America. But both Forlan and Veron would have been players that most people would have regularly seen pre-transfer and both were, or were very close to being, world-class performers at the time.....

The Anderson, Forlan and Veron comment was nothing more than a bit of fun.

The general point I made wasn't about proven/unproven or whether they'd flop, I just find it strange how there's greater excitement around the signing of players that fans know little to nothing about than players they do know about.
 
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With the way Fergie rotates I can see Nani getting a fair amount of games next season, hopefully he'll have a great season and then we can put these contract issues to bed. A season similar to last might see more contract problems unfortunately.
 
The Anderson, Forlan and Veron comment was nothing more than a bit of fun.

The general point I made wasn't about proven/unproven or whether they'd flop, I just find it strange how there's greater excitement around the signing of players that fans know little to nothing about than players they do know about.

Personally I find things that are an unknown quantity much more exciting than something I already am familiar with. Buying a proven premier league player doesn't buy you a guarantee. Look at Torres, look at Berbatov. I would find it more strange if people were not more excited about unknown quantities with a lot of potential than they are about players they watch week in week out.

Depends on what you get out of football I guess.

I think that Fergie will give Nani much more of a prominent role this season if we play the right style of football for him. If we play in the same manner as last year we will be lucky to come 3rd in the league and we can forget about any other honours.
 
Cahill could be a good first team player in any bottom half team and most top half teams would have him as a squad player (I would at Toon) why go to America? :confused:

Cos he'll be a top player in MLS and they'll outshine any wages he'd earn here?
 
Cahill could be a good first team player in any bottom half team and most top half teams would have him as a squad player (I would at Toon) why go to America? :confused:

It's also got something to do with the fact that Cahill is complete and utter **** and would in no way be a good player for any team in the premier league.


Problem is, his goal scoring record in the past 18 months is completely horrific meaning the single aspect of his game has become worthless. First few seasons he scored well, but a couple of those were injury hit seasons where he missed half a season. Then he played a couple longer seasons but his goal scoring didn't really ramp up, from Jan onwards 18 months ago he didn't score again in the league for over a year, and he managed a goal against Blackburn and in a thrashing of Fulham towards the end of the season.

Aside from goal scoring there wasn't much more too him, a high scoring midfielder, not really, a middling striker who played deeper and kicked people quite a bit was all Cahill ever was, and now he doesn't score either.

Will be one of their biggest wage earners now and they can't afford that for a guy who has 2 goals in 18 months and more importantly, really hasn't looked good and hasn't looked like he'll get better. Basically for me he was never good, just effective, and now he isn't effective either.
 
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