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Yes Gerrards interview out of Daniels hands (he isn't asking for move), it's up to the owners (they are selling regardless if offer is what they want)

Gerrard's interview has been taken far too literally. He was referring to Rodgers comments about every player having a price and if that price is met then he might be sold if it's seen to be in the best interests of the club.

The owners couldn't/can't assume that City are going to pay £25m+ to cover what's been spent, especially with no other obvious ways of raising money if the deal doesn't go through.

If Agger is sold then it will be Rodgers decision - it was made incredibly clear that he took the job after receiving assurances that he had the final say on footballing decisions.
 
Maybe if RVP could have kept himself fit for at least a season he may achieved more at Arsenal when they had a better side. He has one injury free season and then has had enough. Brilliant

That would be great if true, but a it's not, at all.

First year started 18 games, subbed into 23 more. Second year he started 21 games, subbed into 17, third season he started 25 and subbed into 6 more, with another 7 starts and 1 sub for Holland.

That's his first 3 seasons, playing in 41/38/39 games, he was second highest scorer in his second season but Wenger had randomly bought Hleb(utter crap) and Adebayor half way through the season, both of whom took games off RVP.

Should we also forget how RVP's foot issues started, someone stamped on his foot breaking a bone, Wenger saw fit to start him for the next 3 games anyway before finally resting him.

He has had too many injuries, most were completely mismanaged by the club, almost all of the big injuries were sustained in bad tackles, stamp on the foot, knee knacked by a tackle on international duty, ankle knacked in a tackle, two of his biggest injuries, first broken foot which they played him on after, and the ankle which they let him go to a god damned witch doctor while his injury became much worse, were Arsenal's fault, not his.

Of 8 seasons at Arsenal he's played in 41/38/39/25/60/44/55 games. So he's only had a single season below 30 games, he's averaged(rounded to nearest whole number 38 games a season.

HIs injuries were mostly lengthened by Arsenal's treatment as were so many other players at Arsenal and if we stopped wasting years of him playing in the CC/FA cup and playing others ahead of him, he'd have both played more and the team would have done more.

Realistically the 25 game season is the one and only heavily injury hit season as the 3 years before that were more about not being first team.

The reason we didn't win stuff was shunning Reyes/PIres for the absolutely inept Hleb for years, playing a lazy team morale destroying, hated Adebayor, refusing to put a proper defence together, significantly changing his tactics.

RVP isn't slightly responsible for Arsenal not winning anything. The reason he wants out is we could and should have won cups and titles in the past 8 years but the decisions that cost us, pushing out Reyes/Pires for Hleb, favouring Adebayor, Song, Diaby, Denilson while letting excellent players leave(almost all of whom have gone on to win things or perform well at their new clubs). This is continuing replacing the replacements of the replacements so far this transfer window, while failing to actually get rid of the crap players.
 
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What is it with Liverpool fans and them being completely deluded when it comes to their players. :confused:

tbf you said City would have won the league comfortably had Lescott and Kompany not missed games completely forgetting how the team you beat on GD were without their best defender for 90% of the season not just a handful of games ;)
 
City's defence was pretty damn good last season wasnt it? Lescott answered a lot of his critics. It's not his fault the huge amount City paid for him. He was very consistent along side Kompany.

This, he was one of the best CB's in the league last year...... Oh man I'm agreeing with Andy what's the world coming too? :(
 
Would we have won more games had we had our best CBs probably. Would you have with Vidic probably.

Still doesn't mean that we wouldn't have won it comfortably.

Another factor is that you got the Vidic injury and you knew he was out for the season so the CB who came in knew that he was there for the forseeable future.

We would lose Kompany for a game and have to throw Savic in, he would struggle alongside Lescott then be out of the team again.

We will see this season what happens.
 
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That would be great if true, but a it's not, at all.

First year started 18 games, subbed into 23 more. Second year he started 21 games, subbed into 17, third season he started 25 and subbed into 6 more, with another 7 starts and 1 sub for Holland.

That's his first 3 seasons, playing in 41/38/39 games, he was second highest scorer in his second season but Wenger had randomly bought Hleb(utter crap) and Adebayor half way through the season, both of whom took games off RVP.

Should we also forget how RVP's foot issues started, someone stamped on his foot breaking a bone, Wenger saw fit to start him for the next 3 games anyway before finally resting him.

He has had too many injuries, most were completely mismanaged by the club, almost all of the big injuries were sustained in bad tackles, stamp on the foot, knee knacked by a tackle on international duty, ankle knacked in a tackle, two of his biggest injuries, first broken foot gwhich they played him on after, and the ankle which they let him go to a god damned witch doctor while his injury became much worse, were Arsenal's fault, not his.

Of 8 seasons at Arsenal he's played in 41/38/39/25/60/44/55 games. So he's only had a single season below 30 games, he's averaged(rounded to nearest whole number 38 games a season.

HIs injuries were mostly lengthened by Arsenal's treatment as were so many other players at Arsenal and if we stopped wasting years of him playing in the CC/FA cup and playing others ahead of him, he'd have both played more and the team would have done more.

Realistically the 25 game season is the one and only heavily injury hit season as the 3 years before that were more about not being first team.

The reason we didn't win stuff was shunning Reyes/PIres for the absolutely inept Hleb for years, playing a lazy team morale destroying, hated Adebayor, refusing to put a proper defence together, significantly changing his tactics.

RVP isn't slightly responsible for Arsenal not winning anything. The reason he wants out is we could and should have won cups and titles in the past 8 years but the decisions that cost us, pushing out Reyes/Pires for Hleb, favouring Adebayor, Song, Diaby, Denilson while letting excellent players leave(almost all of whom have gone on to win things or perform well at their new clubs). This is continuing replacing the replacements of the replacements so far this transfer window, while failing to actually get rid of the crap players.

I think the games played stat is slightly misleading (although I can't claim to have analysed anything in depth). It seems to me that although his appearances stat is good in isolation, you need to look at it with a huge pinch of salt because a large chunk of those appearances were subs appearances; I would assume he was a sub because he was returning from an injury. This fits in with the general consensus that he has only really put together a run of fully fit performances in the last 18m to 24m out of that 8 year period.
 
tbf you said City would have won the league comfortably had Lescott and Kompany not missed games completely forgetting how the team you beat on GD were without their best defender for 90% of the season not just a handful of games ;)

To be fair Evans had a very consistent season last season and Smalling is a player. I think CB is one of the only areas other clubs can be compared to City.
 
Sorry Baz, i completely disagree with your optimism here.
Agger is in his prime years, playing better then ever and showing signs he has put his fitness concerns behind him after a largely incident free season.
Not to mention he is our best defender bar none, especially so with the way we apparently want to play now.
Add in our league position and lack of CL - we couldn't replace him with £40 million, let alone £20 million - so even entertaining the idea of letting him go , which even you can agree BR has been doing, is completely moronic, and not the move/attitude that instills me with confidence going forward.
Sides don't tend to progress when selling their best players at their peaks, we've seen evidence enough of that with Mascherano and Alonso departing surely?
 
To be fair Evans had a very consistent season last season and Smalling is a player. I think CB is one of the only areas other clubs can be compared to City.

True Evans did have a fairly good season there were still games where we noticeably missed Vidic in, namely the 3-0 reverse to Newcastle and the 4-4 with Everton both games where we struggled with high balls against the likes of Ameobi, Ba & Fellaini.

Funny Biz should mention CB's coming in for one game and going out again as a possible reason for dropped points because that's exactly what we had when we played City in the decider; Evans was injured and Smalling had to play and conversely lost Kompany for the winning goal.

Will be very interesting to see what happens this season....
 
Brazilian press (not sure how reliable) are also saying we're in for Ganso as Santos want to sell him.

He's a player I'd like, and apparently not too expensive. I don't know much about Witsel.
 
Where do west ham get all this cash from? They always seem to be spending (or trying to) and pay daft wages too :confused:

They're ****ing nobs, Sullivan was saying how there should be a wage cap and how they'll slash their wages a few months a go.

They've brought in **** this summer, they did the same during the winter, players no were near good enough I think to keep them in the PL, I hope they go down and get ****ed big time!
 
Sorry Baz, i completely disagree with your optimism here....

It's realism not optimism.

I don't want to sell Agger but as Rodgers said, every player has a price and if that price is met and it allows the club to move forwards then it make sense to sell him.

As good as Agger is, he is replaceable. We might not get somebody quite as good but if that player is fit an extra 15 games per season, we're still likely to be better off even before you take into account the spare cash that will hopefully be invested elsewhere.

And I'm not sure how he's shown signs of getting over his injury problems. He picks up lots of small injuries and generally takes him longer to recover - that didn't improve last season.

Having to pay ridiculous wages to make up for the fact we don't have CL?

Like the reported £35k per week contract that Suarez signed when we were out of the CL? And it's speculated that one of the reasons why the Rodgers might be willing to let Agger go is because he wants a hefty pay rise, which is difficult to justify given his fitness record.
 
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I can just imagine Fergie coming out and saying "Every player has his price", oh wait, no I can't, likewise I cannot see Mourinho/Wenger or any other top manager saying it either.

We as a club have essentially advised the entire footballing world that any player at LFC has their price, funny how they didn't come out and say this about Suarez though.
 
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Any player has their price, at any club. I don't see how admitting that makes a mockery of a club/manager... it's just being blunt and honest :\.

Eg. Silva/Ibra and Inter. Ronaldo/Beckham and Manyoo. Torres and Liverpool. Carroll/Tiote/Cabaye and Newcastle. Etc.

Huh?
 
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