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DaveyD said:
InvaderGIR's example wasn't brilliant, it's more like saying you can make a 530d as good as a M550d, as it's the same engine, you just need another turbo or two.
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Agreed.

A better example would be that my E30 (2.5) shares the same block as the 2.3 and 2.0, different internals change the capacity and power output. Should I want to I can get the 2.3 rods and bottom end along with a different cam and turn my 2.5 into a 2.7/2.8. Just because the block is the same doesn't mean the engines are the same though.
 
DaveyD said:
It sounds like you're saying all 2.5T engines are exactly the same, apart from the key things that make the power different (i.e. injectors, turbo, engine map).
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No, I'm saying the engine found in the RS, is the same that is found in the ST. Which was made by Volvo. There are a slight few changes such as injectors etc, which will surely be cheaper to replace on the ST engine, rather than buy an new RS because you can't get any further with the ST.

My ST is at the spec I want it, can't really go any further with it without resorting to an RS engine, which I don't really want to do, would want a better looking car as well as the 100 extra horses.
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^Back to my point.
 
If the engine was internally identical they would have the same compression ratio, they don't.

*bangs head on desk*

Mucky has already stated it's common knowledge that you can't just bolt on RS stuff to an ST and expect it to work as intended.
 
InvaderGIR said:
Agreed.

A better example would be that my E30 (2.5) shares the same block as the 2.3 and 2.0, different internals change the capacity and power output. Should I want to I can get the 2.3 rods and bottom end along with a different cam and turn my 2.5 into a 2.7/2.8. Just because the block is the same doesn't mean the engines are the same though.
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But I'm referring to the engine block. I already stated that certain components are different.

The guy is saying he needs to buy an RS to go further, as he can't with his ST. I don't understand why this is all, since they share the same engine block.

Jesus wept
 
rossk26 said:
But I'm referring to the engine block. I already stated that certain components are different.

The guy is saying he needs to buy an RS to go further, as he can't with his ST. I don't understand why this is all, since they share the same engine block.

Jesus wept
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The base block is the same, yes. BUT the internals are different, so you can't just put the ancillaries on from the RS engine to make it run the same.
 
Janesy B said:
Today I learnt that an engine is just the short block and everything else is an ancillary. Every day is a school day.
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Looks like I can make my 306 a low boost at no extra cost to low then :D
Well I say no extra cost, but I can just swap the pistons real easy like
God knows what they ask you to pay 2k more eh?
 
I'm not saying I need to buy an RS as I can't go further with my ST, I can go further with my ST if I want I could take it past what the majority of RS's are currently running if I was so inclined and had deep enough pockets lol, but it's at a point where I'm happy with it at the moment, if I wanted to go further that would involve swapping to an RS engine at a minumum, not just clagging bigger injectors and an RS turbo on my ST engine, that's just a sure fired way to a wreck the older engine, so I'm not prepared to do that. What I am saying is in the future I may just fancy an increase in power as well as a change in apperance and would like something more sporty looking as a consequence, and until I drive a new ST, the financial outlay for a standard ST-3 is more than I'm willing to pay compared with what I would pay for a Mk.2 RS + mods, so that is a preffered route at the minute.
 
And I'll agree with what Ross is saying about the cost aspect, yes it would be cheaper for me to take my car upto or past RS spec, even with a swap of engine it would still be cheaper than buying the car, but like I said its not about the cost of that mod, my initial point in this thread which kicked off the engine debate was rather about the fact that given the choice if I was going to change my current car, let's just for this instance pretend I don't even have an ST, and was presented with £28k for an ST-3 or £19k + couple of thousand to mod it FRS Mk.2 unless the ST drove exceptionally good, I don't think the ST would be worth that outlay.

If I just wanted moar power hell yes I'd do the RS conversion, but I'm not sure if thats what I want in the future or if I want something more sporty and outlandish looking, and however you look at it a bright snot green three door car always looks sportier than a five door black car. It's purely down to personal preference at that level though, I personally love the styling on the RS, and had I been in a position to buy one when I bought the ST I would have bought the RS.
 
Dont like it at all regardless of the engine it just looks odd imo. Might take a test drive in one though and see how it drives.

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rossk26 said:
But I'm referring to the engine block. I already stated that certain components are different.

The guy is saying he needs to buy an RS to go further, as he can't with his ST. I don't understand why this is all, since they share the same engine block.

Jesus wept
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At the very least the rods and injectors are different. People put the RS bottom end on to lower the compression, along with the RS turbo in order to get more power. This is why the RS can be modded to 420ish BHP, and the ST only to 330ish BHP.
 
I had a test drive of the new st over the weekend - spirit blue, ST3 estate. It looked very nice and purposeful. On driving, it was very smooth when cruising along with plenty of power on tap when I wanted it (noticeably quicker than my Golf GTI) and no turbo lag.

I've never driven the Mk2 so I can't compare performance/engine notes but I thought it sounded great and the noise projected into the cabin was subtle but surprisingly addictive!

It handled well without being uncomfortable. I would definitely say it was more fun to drive than the Golf.

The interior was nice, well put together and no rattles. Not as many soft-touch plastics as the golf but it still felt like a nice place to be. The seats were fantastic.

All in all, I'm very tempted. The only thing putting me off is the likely higher depreciation vs my golf (or even a new golf), although the lower starting price makes more sense. I'm not sure what (if any) deals could be had at the moment. I think VW have almost priced themselves out of the market for me at the moment.

I like the idea of a fast estate (have been looking at the Octavia vRS also although it's a bit dated now). I think the ST might be higher up the local criminal's shopping list though which is also a concern with a partner and a 2-yr old at home.
 
Can you honestly bring yourself to drop £25K on one though? Especially as it'll lose a chunk when you drive it off the forecourt.
 
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