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Seems I'm not the only one who prefers the Astra:
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Had a sit in one on Sunday at Ford Fair was pretty good, will drive one before I decide but I think my heart is set on getting a Mk.2 RS personally, as I could get a 2-3 year old one and mod it to the spec I want for the cost of a new ST-3.
Would it not be even cheaper to mod your current ST to the spec you want. I can't see the benefit of going from ST > RS. All your getting is the plastic body kit and the tourque vector thing!
Eh? The ST has the exact same engine as the RS
Older ones don't, older ones are known to be weaker, you'd be mental trying to take an older ST engine past 400, you'd have to resort to jamsports hocus pocus block mod, or darton liners, but even then they're not guarentee'd, why do you think so many people who are wanting more power have resorted to RS engines?
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If it was exactly the same, it would make the same power surely?
Oh yeah thanks for the negative trust comment BTW, really grown up.
It has more capable component e.g. clutch, revo knuckle suspension, turbo, injectors. But all can be fitted to an ST.
The RS clutch and injectors being a very common mod for ST owners, to safely reach the 300+ area.
TBH I'd rather have a Quaife ATB differential instead of the revo knuckle suspension anyhow. Plus sometimes I can't stand the amount of plastic bodykit the RS has.
Not quite.
Believe its lower compression due to different pistons and rods.
Different inlet
Different injectors
Different liners possibly?
That said, Theres no reason why you can't safely get the same power in an st at all.
So its a bit of a moot point
No, the components of the engine produce more power, ECU, Turbo, Injectors etc. The engine is exactly the same that is found in the ST (B5254T3), which is also found in the 2004-2006 Volvo S40 T5 and 2004-2006 Volvo V50 T5.
Thanks, the trust reflects your attitude to posts I make.
Cant say i disagree. I think the RS's body kit hasnt aged well at all.
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That's like saying my Mondeo 2.0 engine is the same as a BMW 2.0 engine...because they both have four cylinders and are recorded as 2.0L engines. :/
Nice abuse of the trust system, it is not for personal attacks at people but for use within the MM etc.
Really?
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Yarly.
Different internals etc. make the engines in the ST and RS rather different. They may share the same initial block but they aren't the same engine.
Not quite.
Believe its lower compression due to different pistons and rods.
Different inlet
Different injectors
Different liners possibly?
That said, Theres no reason why you can't safely get the same power in an st at all.
So its a bit of a moot point
There's talk of plasma coating or some such on RS engines compared with ST engines as well, don't think it's been confirmed, but still if anyone says older ST engines are the same as RS engines, and if you bolt all the RS stuff on it'll be exactly the same, it won't it's common knowledge.
It sounds like you're saying all 2.5T engines are exactly the same, apart from the key things that make the power different (i.e. injectors, turbo, engine map).
They're not the same engine if they've got different components!
InvaderGIR's example wasn't brilliant, it's more like saying you can make a 530d as good as a M550d, as it's the same engine, you just need another turbo or two.
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No, not really. I can see his point and yours, the ST engine is similar though not identical.
It's nothing like saying a BMW and a Ford engine are the same.