Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time

[Glaucus]

Unfortunately with Apple they corral you into using just their products often to the detriment of the user experience. They actively remove functionality and then re-introduce it as pay to use. They also market substandard devices at the same (more often higher) pricing than parallel items from competitors.
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They really don't. There's functionality missing for reasons. Some of its annoying, some of it is a good thing. But they are perfectly good workable devices.


Substandard devices at more cost?
Compare apple products with HiGH end alternative devices and they are almost exactly the same rrp. You don't get the same reduction in price after a few months of release, but nore do you have the same depreciation.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I have less of a problem with Apple than I do the utter muppetry shown by their obnoxious and condescending staff.

"Sir, why would your ipad need a USB slot when it's all about cloud storage?"

 

[SteveOBHave]

Really not? So they didn't remove things like the X11 server and client libraries nor the RSS features from Mail and Safari? Photo integrations in Time Machine? Launchpad? Network control functionality?

So if you purchase a machine from Apple and get them to put in extra memory or another HDD or a better video card you don't get a new one torn for you? We must be talking about two very different companies here.

Apple is slowly and steadily pushing their users into a dumbed down and money transaction centric ecosystem and has them convinced that it's for their own good and the continuation of a 'seamless' user experience... as long as you pay Apple constantly for the privilege. Give them another couple of OS interations and you will only be able to install application sourced directly through Apple and paid only through Apple marketing.

 

[Glaucus]

Or I don't use macs and have no interest in them.

You won't find any company upgrading hard drives for tablets/phones.

Half of apples sales are iPhone , those issues are with macs.


As for the last part all OS are going the store route, with signed applications. It's for a good reason and I have no issue with it. Security, reliability etc. I do not want to go back to the days where apps caused huge problems. Even Microsoft with its huge works on any hardware started down the route of signed drivers and have slowly expanded this.

 

[ThePirateHulk]

Where did I say you can't buy any off those. I specifically said BuY films.

http://www.cultofandroid.com/12733/you-can-now-purchase-movies-and-tv-shows-on-google-play/

What is availlable to rent or buy is dependent on the rights owner in whatever region you happen to be in.

Why the spin, do you think you can transfer your android apps? No you would Lose them as well.

You can transfer them to any of the dozens (maybe hundreds?) of android devices available on the market. With Android you are not tied to one particular hardware manufacturer. Wand a phone with a better camera? No problem. Want a phone with a bigger screen? Simple. Want to run a 10" tablet too? Go ahead.

 

[Glaucus]

http://www.cultofandroid.com/12733/you-can-now-purchase-movies-and-tv-shows-on-google-play/

What is availlable to rent or buy is dependent on the rights owner in whatever region you happen to be in.




You can transfer them to any of the dozens (maybe hundreds?) of android devices available on the market. With Android you are not tied to one particular hardware manufacturer. Wand a phone with a better camera? No problem. Want a phone with a bigger screen? Simple. Want to run a 10" tablet too? Go ahead.

A very good step indeed.

But they are still android. That is no different to apple, I can buy many different apple products and transfer between them. You are still tied to the ecosystem. As you are which ever you opt for. You can not Chang to a windows phone and keep your apps. You're always locked into the eco system.

Fragmentation is not a good route either. Microsoft has a nice compromise. Several sets of hardware but not totaly open either. There's a lot of descions "tech" people aren't happy with, but they don't Understand the underlying reasons. They also aren't the average user and are a minority group.

Apple do not cater for the minority, why should they? If there model is to cater for one group, the largest group, which makes everything more simple. Much easier to bold apps on apple and know they work on all devices for instance. Then what's your issue? Doesn't fit your ideas then buy other options.

 

[SteveOBHave]

Or I don't use macs and have no interest in them.

You won't find any company upgrading hard drives for tablets/phones.

Half of apples sales are iPhone , those issues are with macs.


As for the last part all OS are going the store route, with signed applications. It's for a good reason and I have no issue with it. Security, reliability etc. I do not want to go back to the days where apps caused huge problems. Even Microsoft with its huge works on any hardware started down the route of signed drivers and have slowly expanded this.

Ah, so as long as 'it's for a good reason' (told to you by Apple) then it's ok to have freedoms and functionality taken away. Signed drivers is not the same thing as actively blocking people from using 3rd party applications and forcing users to consistently pay Apple their slice.

 

[Glaucus]

Ah, so as long as 'it's for a good reason' (told to you by Apple) then it's ok to have freedoms and functionality taken away. Signed drivers is not the same thing as actively blocking people from using 3rd party applications and forcing users to consistently pay Apple their slice?

Told to me by apple? What you smoking. Miss the reference to windows and Microsoft.
Where can I buy win8rt apps? Or is that dictated to me by apple?
Where can you buy android apps, without rooting. Or is that dictated to me by apple?

 

[ThePirateHulk]

A very good step indeed.

But they are still android. That is no different to apple, I can buy many different apple products and transfer between them. You are still tied to the ecosystem. As you are which ever you opt for. You can not Chang to a windows phone and keep your apps. You're always locked into the eco system.

But my point is that with Android you can use any Android device that suits you. With Apple you have iPhone or iPad...and that's it. Personally, I value the choice of devices a lot more than the conformity of Apple.

 

[SteveOBHave]

Told to me by apple? What you smoking. Miss the reference to windows and Microsoft.
Where can I buy win8rt apps? Or is that dictated to me by apple?
Where can you buy android apps, without rooting. Or is that dictated to me by apple?

But you said that you were only talking about iPads etc - you don't use Macs remember. You can't use Microsoft stuff on iPads can you? Besides your MS comment was an edit.

Regarding Android Apps - you can buy them anywhere as long as you turn off the requirement to used signed apps in the settings which you can do with any of the devices. You're not locked in in any way at all.

 

[Glaucus]

But you said that you were only talking about iPads etc - you don't use Macs remember. You can't use Microsoft stuff on iPads can you? Besides your MS comment was an edit.
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I can't use android on Microsoft, can't use android on apple.
I can't use windows on apple, I can't use windows on android
I can't use apple on android, I can't use apple on windows.

Your point being? What Everysystem you go for you are locked into the Eco system. It is fairly straight forward concept.

But my point is that with Android you can use any Android device that suits you. With Apple you have iPhone or iPad...and that's it. Personally, I value the choice of devices a lot more than the conformity of Apple.

and my point was people saying your locked into a ecosystem with apple, you have more choice off hardware, your still locked in though. If you change systems you still lose all your investments.

 

[SteveOBHave]

I can't use android on Microsoft, can't use android on apple.
I can't use windows on apple, I can't use windows on android
I can't use apple on android, I can't use apple on windows.

Your point being? What Everysystem you go for you are locked into the Eco system. It is fairly straight forward concept.

No you're twisting the point. My point is that you can't use 3rd party apps on your non Mac devices. You have to buy it directly through Apple. The same is not the case for Android. Apple is pushing users of Macs toward the same infrastructure, and unfortunately Microsoft is attempting to push users toward the same.

 

[Glaucus]

You can use 3rd part apps, 99.9999% of apps are 3rd party. Just through the store.

Part of it is obviously money. But it's also security, reliability and the Ike. That is a very good reason to push it thugh the store. Something I'll gladly do, seeing as a lot of essential apps are totaly free anyway. Just becuase you don't understand the reason behind it, doesn't mean we've been told by apple, or it's a bad choice.

There's is many programming and software reasons why control is great for the end user.

Even android has accepted this and are tightening up their store and the requirements for it. Buggy! Corrup software is no good for end user or the image of the OS. many people including tech people want simple to use devices that includes downloading from a store, knowing not only it works but that it's been checked for compatibility and security.

 

[SteveOBHave]

You can use 3rd part apps, 99.9999% of apps are 3rd party. Just through the store.

Part of it is obviously money. But it's also security, reliability and the Ike. That is a very good reason to push it thugh the store. Something I'll gladly do, seeing as a lot of essential apps are totaly free anyway. Just becuase you don't understand the reason behind it, doesn't mean we've been told by apple, or it's a bad choice.

There's is many programming and software reasons why control is great for the end user.

i.e. Apple have to take their piece. The security and reliability is just an excuse to keep charging you. You tell me if you have another option that is sanctioned by Apple? I entirely understand the reasons, but I also entirely understand that you will be fed reasons to cover Apples income stream. If you're happy to keep justifying that then all power to you.

Not to mention the extraordinarily harsh terms that are imposed on the app designers that keep the money coming into Apple - Apple just milk and milk and milk.

 

[Glaucus]

i.e. Apple have to take their piece. The security and reliability is just an excuse to keep charging you. You tell me if you have another option that is sanctioned by Apple? I entirely understand the reasons, but I also entirely understand that you will be fed reasons to cover Apples income stream. If you're happy to keep justifying that then all power to you.

You don't seem to understand it isn't just apple, so how can you say that.
You don't seem to understand the reason as you seem to think it isn't a valid reason. Yet it is why have android repeatedly cracked down on these reasons and are slowly making it tighter? After all surly that goes against your feelings?

End user experience is key. Having a fragmented hardware set, apps withno checks do not bode well for end user experience. It's also not great for developers. It makes it hard to program and test. It's one reason the android app store takes so long to take off, companies don't want to release apps only to **** half the users off as it doesn't work on their phone. They had to in the end due to market share. I believe android 4.0 improves comparability a little.

For me the lack of checking android apps and hardware is a negative, not a big enough one to stop me using android. But I wish android had far more control over apps and hardware. It would massively benefit the entire platform.

 

[ThePirateHulk]

and my point was people saying your locked into a ecosystem with apple, you have more choice off hardware, your still locked in though. If you change systems you still lose all your investments.

It's not being locked into an ecosystem that's the problem. You get locked into an ecosystem with many products these days (DSLR camera gear being a prime example).

It's getting locked into an ecosystem where there is no competition between manufacturers that I have a problem with. If the iPhone 5 is a bit of a dud then anybody why wants to get a new phone has the choice of either buying said dud or losing their investment in apps etc.

If Samsung release a dud Android phone then who cares? You just move to another manufacturer and your investment comes with you.

 

[Glaucus]

It's not being locked into an ecosystem that's the problem. You get locked into an ecosystem with many products these days.

It's getting locked into an ecosystem where there is no competition between manufacturers. If the iPhone 5 is a bit of a dud then anybody why wants to get a new phone has the choice of either buying said dud or losing their investment in apps etc.

If Samsung release a dud Android phone then who cares? You just move to another manufacturer and your investment comes with you.

Or you know sticking with the last phone.
What happens if android release a dud Os, your stuffed.

As you say what ever system you choose you are locked in. That's it really, these quotes saying ecosystems sucks, your locked in is twaddle and apwhere this all started from.

If your concern is lack of hardware choices. That is not what is commoonly classed as the ecosystem.

 

[SteveOBHave]

You don't seem to understand it isn't just apple, so how can you say that.
You don't seem to understand the reason as you seem to think it isn't a valid reason. Yet it is why have android repeatedly cracked down on these reasons and are slowly making it tighter? After all surly that goes against your feelings?

End user experience is key. Having a fragmented hardware set, apps withno checks do not bode well for end user experience. It's also not great for developers. It makes it hard to program and test. It's one reason the android app store takes so long to take off, companies don't want to release apps only to **** half the users off as it doesn't work on their phone. They had to in the end due to market share. I believe android 4.0 improves comparability a little.

For me the lack of checking android apps and hardware is a negative, not a big enough one to stop me using android. But I wish android had far more control over apps and hardware. It would massively benefit the entire platform.

Who else specifically makes you buy directly and solely through their outlet?

 

[Glaucus]

Who else specifically makes you buy directly and solely through their outlet?

Microsoft, I believe Blackberry as well, but haven't had mucho do with them, so maye wrong.

 

[SteveOBHave]

It's not being locked into an ecosystem that's the problem. You get locked into an ecosystem with many products these days (DSLR camera gear being a prime example).

It's getting locked into an ecosystem where there is no competition between manufacturers that I have a problem with. If the iPhone 5 is a bit of a dud then anybody why wants to get a new phone has the choice of either buying said dud or losing their investment in apps etc.

If Samsung release a dud Android phone then who cares? You just move to another manufacturer and your investment comes with you.

Not to mention that Apple have yet again redesigned their sockets and plugs thus rendering all the peripherals redundant - woops look you have to spend more money with Apple if you buy the iPhone 5.