Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time

SteveOBHave said:
I can conclusively say that you are. There are many places for both those devices that you can purchase apps and install them without jail breaking. Apple you just can't.
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Where can you buy other than windows store. Blackberry your probably right
Windows you have to install through the store.
 
I stand corrected - Windows phone is going down the same path although there are desktop apps that you can use to push XAPs directly to your phone without bypassing the protection.
 
Of course it bypass protection, what do you think it does.
Its designed to only install from store and I doubt that will work on win8 ether.

So can we agree it isn't apple saying it and can we also agree that actually it is a great thing for the vast majority of users to limit apps, to ensure thy work are secure etc and not only that but android has recognized this. Well they knew all along, they just want to limit as least as possible. But due to negative publicity even they have tightened up on it.

Same goes for hardware. Which is why Microsoft is limiting hardware, to try and insure fragmentation doesn't happen and to ease the programming issues which you get with completely open systems.
 
Glaucus said:
Of course it bypass protection, what do you think it does.
Its designed to only install from store and I doubt that will work on win8 ether.

So can we agree it isn't apple saying it and can we also agree that actually it is a great thing for the vast majority of users to limit apps, to ensure thy work are secure etc and not only that but android has recognized this. Well they knew all along, they just want to limit as least as possible. But due to negative publicity even they have tightened up on it.

Same goes for hardware. Which is why Microsoft is limiting hardware, to try and insure fragmentation doesn't happen and to ease the programming issues which you get with completely open systems.
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No MS are limiting hardware because they see the Apple structure raking in a large amount of money and seek to do the same thing. Like I said earlier though I struggle to see MS consumers falling for it - historically if MS put out a rubbish product consumers bypass it. I'd agree in principal that protection from rogue apps is a good thing but using that as a reason to keep taking money from both consumers and app producers is not.
 
Glaucus said:
Or you know sticking with the last phone.
What happens if android release a dud Os, your stuffed.
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Or you can install one of the many, many community supported ROMS.

As you say what ever system you choose you are locked in. That's it really, these quotes saying ecosystems sucks, your locked in is twaddle and apwhere this all started from.
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But Apples lock-ins are a hell of a lot more restrictive than Googles.

If your concern is lack of hardware choices. That is not what is commoonly classed as the ecosystem.
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It is PART of the ecosystem and a part that is extremely restricted with Apple. Get it?
 
SteveOBHave said:
No MS are limiting hardware because they see the Apple structure raking in a large amount of money and seek to do the same thing. Like I said earlier though I struggle to see MS consumers falling for it - historically if MS put out a rubbish product consumers bypass it. I'd agree in principal that protection from rogue apps is a good thing but using that as a reason to keep taking money from both consumers and app producers is not.
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No they are not. Go read the developer blogs. Ms do not make there own hardware, so that assumption makes no sense at all (well other than the surface).
It's for technical reasons, which make total sense of which I've explained to you several times why from a technical standpoint it makes perfect sense.
 
Look - never mind, it's circular argument and if you're happy giving Apple you're hard earned pound and believe that you're getting value for that and it's all for technical reasons then all power to you. I think you're a mug - but there you go.
 
SteveOBHave said:
Look - never mind, it's circular argument and if you're happy giving Apple you're hard earned pound and believe that you're getting value for that and it's all for technical reasons then all power to you. I think you're a mug - but there you go.
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Typical response. What makes me a mug? At least we. Have now got to the. Bottom of your posts. An irrational stupid opinion.

Actually getting a device that suits my needs, make me a mug? Wow I thought buying something fit for purpose actually made me sensible. It's not like I'm an apple fanboy. I'll use what ever system suits my needs and when win8 comes out I'll be switching to that, as that will then suit more needs. I've even got an android device. By no means is it my favorite but for what I need it's fine, a cheap device to slowly play Netflix. For that the downsides doesn't matter.

But neither do I call android purchasers mugs if it's what they need, I will also recommend any of the three depending on people's needs.
 
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Lol your point is I'm a mug, nope sorry don't agree, aven't misrepresented that at all. That's your words not mine.

I can actually fathom, different people have different needs. Depending on those needs depends what system is best. Something you seem totaly devoid off.
 
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SteveOBHave said:
Not to mention that Apple have yet again redesigned their sockets and plugs thus rendering all the peripherals redundant - woops look you have to spend more money with Apple if you buy the iPhone 5.
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What do you mean redesigned their sockets and plugs yet again? The original iPod classic was firewire. Which can still be used on nearly all modern Mac hardware since (though it is being phased out like most things for Thunderbolt, which is simply better than anything else and yet people still complain about that). The dock connector we know today was introduced on the third generation iPod in April 2003, which is over 9 years ago. The original USB dock connector wasn't capable of providing power. It could only sync. And so that was evolved to provide power charging capabilities. Did the overall dock design change? Not in 9 years. Only the pin combinations. As the iPod and then the iPhone became more advanced in the signals sent over the dock connector the pin combination changed, but the overall exterior design hasn't changed in 9 years.

I think you're bitching about something for the sake of bitching about something. How long do you wish for a company to support something? If anything, the dock connector is the one thing Apple has provided support for more than anything else (which is ridiculous). It's remained the same while entire OS architecture changes have taken place.
 
nooo - so genius, tell me why they couldn't just use Micro USB like everyone else in the world? They can't and don't so that they can sell extra peripherals. Also why don't any other chargers other than Apple chargers work with their devices unless they are specifically designed to be compatible?
 
SteveOBHave said:
nooo - so genius, tell me why they couldn't just use Micro USB like everyone else in the world? They can't and don't so that they can sell extra peripherals. Also why don't any other chargers other than Apple chargers work with their devices unless they are specifically designed to be compatible?
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I don't know why they couldn't use Micro USB. But I imagine it has something to do with the fact micro USB has 5 pins and the dock connector has 30 pins. Now imagine trying to fit 30 pins into micro USB. Oh wait....

Until you know the pin out schematics and what Apple intends to use each line for, you're bitching about something for the sake of bitching about something.
 
SteveOBHave said:
nooo - so genius, tell me why they couldn't just use Micro USB like everyone else in the world? They can't and don't so that they can sell extra peripherals. Also why don't any other chargers other than Apple chargers work with their devices unless they are specifically designed to be compatible?
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Doesnt Apple's dock connector offer functionality above and beyond what's possible with USB?
 
mrochester said:
Doesnt Apple's dock connector offer functionality above and beyond what's possible with USB?
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Yes. Which is why it needs 30 pins. 30 pins that wouldn't fit into micro USB form factor. Complaining about the dock connector, their plugs and leads is absolutely retarded. In the case of the iPod Apple continued to support Firewire for four years while it moved to USB and continued to offer Firewire capable connectivity over it's 30 pin cable so you would just need to replace a cable and not the whole sodding device.
 
Which is what? Data transfer? Charging? There isn't much else that is required from the cable especially since the other end has how many wires? Ummmm 4. Where did the other 26 magically appear from? What possibly added functionality is rammed through a USB connector bus that requires 26 other leads?
 
SteveOBHave said:
Which is what? Data transfer? Charging? There isn't much else that is required from the cable especially since the other end has how many wires? Ummmm 4. Where did the other 26 magically appear from? What possibly added functionality is rammed through a USB connector bus that requires 26 other leads?
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Read the schematics and stop being stupid.
 
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