Pointless Attack on Traffic Warden

StriderX · 13 Sep 2012 at 15:55

K1LLSW1TCH said:
While some traffic wardens can be jobsworths at the best of times I don't think any human just going about their 9-5 deserves that. The man is just doing his job, paying his taxes and trying to put a roof over his family's head/food on the table. I hope they catch the *******s.

Catch them, put them in an overflowing prison system, be out in 1 year? or less.

Nobody cares any more about the justice system, its lost all credibility in the last 20 or so years.

Craterloads · 13 Sep 2012 at 15:56

Haggisman said:
Since you make it so obvious you didn't read any of the links, I'll take it that you're not particularly open minded.

Im sorry were you expecting me to go through all your links about horrible things happening? The reply was still appropriate. Yes bad things happen, it doesnt make them normal or to be expected. Ill say it again, you must live in a **** if this is what you expect.

It's more a case of picking your battles. If it was a couple of 16 year old kids, I would have no problems having a word, but I'd still be a bit wary of getting a knife in the gut.

If you're a weedy guy (as the TW looks in the vid) and it's 3 thuggish looking guys, you'd have to be very stupid, very naive, or have very big ***** to confront them.

A battle you say, asking someone why they spat on you or infront of you is hardly a battle

Clearly. Unfortunately it does mean that if you ever find yourself in such a situation, you appear to lack the experience to prevent having your head kicked in

Obviously im not as "street wise" as you

The TW was perfectly correct in questioning the men, and he shouldnt have expected to be assualted because that is NOT normal.

estebanrey · 13 Sep 2012 at 16:07

Craterloads said:
Im sorry were you expecting me to go through all your links about horrible things happening? The reply was still appropriate. Yes bad things happen, it doesnt make them normal or to be expected. Ill say it again, you must live in a **** if this is what you expect.

You're not getting it are you? It's not about what is 'normal' behaviour or what you should expect it's about risk management.

Now I could put all my life savings (if I had any) on all the numbers except 0 and 1 on a roulette wheel and I could 'expect' to get my money back along with a small profit. However the 5% chance I may lose everything stops me from doing so.

Same thing here, it could be the case that 95% of the people he approached for spitting on him don't kick him in the face but not recognising that and weighing it up against the alternative (which would be to report the spitting incident to the police) isn't very sensible.

It's like that question posted the other day about pressing a button and getting a billion but there's a chance you might die instead. Most people opted not to push the button.

It's about risk management, not assuming because not being attacked is the norm you will never be attacked or you shouldn't take steps to avoid it.

Craterloads said:
Obviously im not as "street wise" as you The TW was perfectly correct in questioning the men, and he shouldnt have expected to be assualted because that is NOT normal.

He was morally correct to question them, that doesn't make it a smart thing to do though.

Haggisman · 13 Sep 2012 at 16:07

Craterloads said:
Im sorry were you expecting me to go through all your links about horrible things happening? The reply was still appropriate.

Except it wasn't, I posted several links about people being attacked for little to no reason all over the country, which clearly illustrates that these events are more widespread than you want to believe.

Craterloads said:
Yes bad things happen, it doesnt make them normal or to be expected. Ill say it again, you must live in a **** if this is what you expect.

They do happen, and they should always be expected, particularly if someone has already shown that they are aggressive and disrespectful, e.g. by spitting on/at you.

Craterloads said:
A battle you say, asking someone why they spat on you or infront of you is hardly a battle

It's a figure of speech.

Craterloads said:
Obviously im not as "street wise" as you The TW was perfectly correct in questioning the men, and he shouldnt have expected to be assualted because that is NOT normal.

Clearly you're not, and that's by no means a bad thing, but knowing when to swallow your pride and walk away can be a very valuable skill. It only needs 1 situation to be dealt with in the wrong way and you could find yourself on the wrong end of some size 13s or a knife.

Note I've not said at any point the TW wasn't morally correct in questioning the men, however the smart choice would have been to just take it on the chin (pardon the pun) and keep walking.

Craterloads · 13 Sep 2012 at 17:29

Haggisman said:
Except it wasn't, I posted several links about people being attacked for little to no reason all over the country, which clearly illustrates that these events are more widespread than you want to believe.

They do happen, and they should always be expected, particularly if someone has already shown that they are aggressive and disrespectful, e.g. by spitting on/at you.

It's a figure of speech.

Clearly you're not, and that's by no means a bad thing, but knowing when to swallow your pride and walk away can be a very valuable skill. It only needs 1 situation to be dealt with in the wrong way and you could find yourself on the wrong end of some size 13s or a knife.

Note I've not said at any point the TW wasn't morally correct in questioning the men, however the smart choice would have been to just take it on the chin (pardon the pun) and keep walking.

I find your view of thinking as accepting defeat to thugs like such, dont say this or do this or you will get a beating. Its no way to live.

I get your points about sussing the situation, if a group of thugs approach you best to do all thats possible to avoid confrontation, this case in paticular was not such a case where he should have avoided anything. It was the perfect and normal to question the men in this paticular situation. There was nothing indicating he was going to be round housed in a split second.

Craterloads · 13 Sep 2012 at 17:31

estebanrey said:
You're not getting it are you? It's not about what is 'normal' behaviour or what you should expect it's about risk management.

Now I could put all my life savings (if I had any) on all the numbers except 0 and 1 on a roulette wheel and I could 'expect' to get my money back along with a small profit. However the 5% chance I may lose everything stops me from doing so.

Same thing here, it could be the case that 95% of the people he approached for spitting on him don't kick him in the face but not recognising that and weighing it up against the alternative (which would be to report the spitting incident to the police) isn't very sensible.

It's like that question posted the other day about pressing a button and getting a billion but there's a chance you might die instead. Most people opted not to push the button.

It's about risk management, not assuming because not being attacked is the norm you will never be attacked or you shouldn't take steps to avoid it.

He was morally correct to question them, that doesn't make it a smart thing to do though.

Unfortunatley theres nothing to get, your analogy doesnt even make sense and is a sad way to live your life if thats how you live.

4T5 · 13 Sep 2012 at 17:44

The three suspects have been described as white, of eastern European appearance and aged in their late-20s to early-30s

Did anybody read the article ?

Traffic_Warden · 13 Sep 2012 at 17:54

I feel sad now

Craterloads · 13 Sep 2012 at 17:55

estebanrey said:
You're not getting it are you? It's not about what is 'normal' behaviour or what you should expect it's about risk management.

I would also like to ask you what your view on a situation like this.

Old woman walking down the street, some thugs are ****ing about or do something to her. She confronts them and says "excuse me young men, you shouldnt be doing that " or "why have you done that" etc. The thugs then begin to beat the crap out of this old woman.

Now tell me, do you think this old woman was out of line, was stupid, or should have expected a beating? In your world probably yes, you would say the old woman should have risked managed, so in turn she's partly to blame.

XeNoN89 · 13 Sep 2012 at 18:11

Craterloads said:
I would also like to ask you what your view on a situation like this.

Old woman walking down the street, some thugs are ****ing about or do something to her. She confronts them and says "excuse me young men, you shouldnt be doing that " or "why have you done that" etc. The thugs then begin to beat the crap out of this old woman.

Now tell me, do you think this old woman was out of line, was stupid, or should have expected a beating? In your world probably yes, you would say the old woman should have risked managed, so in turn she's partly to blame.

Lol

The woman wasn't out of line but it was a risky decision (although an old lady is a lot less likely to get the crap beaten out of her by a group of men, than a younger male would be)

If somebody spat at me I wouldn't just ignore it either, but I also wouldn't just say 'why did you spit at me?' As that is a quick way to a beating. Personally I would probably smack somebody in the face for spitting at me, at least that way I might cause enough damage to scare them off.

You are probably now going to call me a keyboard warrior or something, but I have grown up in really crappy parts of croydon and my response seems pretty spot on. I have got the crap kicked out of me before, but I have also avoided it by fighting back with just as much aggression, fighting fire with fire as it were.

Craterloads · 13 Sep 2012 at 18:18

XeNoN89 said:
Lol

The woman wasn't out of line but it was a risky decision (although an old lady is a lot less likely to get the crap beaten out of her by a group of men, than a younger male would be)

If somebody spat at me I wouldn't just ignore it either, but I also wouldn't just say 'why did you spit at me?' As that is a quick way to a beating. Personally I would probably smack somebody in the face for spitting at me, at least that way I might cause enough damage to scare them off.

You are probably now going to call me a keyboard warrior or something, but I have grown up in really crappy parts of croydon and my response seems pretty spot on. I have got the crap kicked out of me before, but I have also avoided it by fighting back with just as much aggression, fighting fire with fire as it were.

I see what you mean, dont get me wrong im not exactly from a nice neighburhood, infact its pretty violent.

The issue i have is with the suggestion the traffic warden is partly responsible, when infact it was 100% the thugs who are to blame.

Edrof · 13 Sep 2012 at 18:33

I've never really understood the hatred for traffic wardens. If you park somewhere you clearly shouldn't, or fail to bother to pay like everyone else has to, then you should be dealt with.

The town I used to live had a long main street and the disabled bays would be parked in by people without blue badges. I would quietly rejoice when the warden would turn up and ticket about five cars in a row.

Thorien · 13 Sep 2012 at 18:45

Absolutely disgusting behaviour! A very sad state of affairs in some areas now, when you can't walk down the street without being assaulted?!

Personally though I think they may have been racially motivated, rather than the fact he's a traffic warden. He looks asian to me, and the attackers eastern european skinheads.....

RetiredGreyFox · 13 Sep 2012 at 18:56

100% with estebanrey on this.
I've been in some rough areas (I live in one), I've been in 100s of very rough pubs but I've always escaped from a beating because I know when not to talk back or where not to look.
It is correct that we should be able to confront people for their actions but I live in the real world.

Moothead2 · 13 Sep 2012 at 19:08

Edrof said:
I've never really understood the hatred for traffic wardens. If you park somewhere you clearly shouldn't, or fail to bother to pay like everyone else has to, then you should be dealt with.

The town I used to live had a long main street and the disabled bays would be parked in by people without blue badges. I would quietly rejoice when the warden would turn up and ticket about five cars in a row.

I was just about to post something similar. I've had people in my classes calling them all sorts of names after THEY forgot/chose not to move their cars when the specified time (2 hours) was up or just change the time on their discs and hope to get away with it. I've never encountered a Traffic Warden who went out of their way to ticket somebody and even had one friend forget to move their car, saw a Traffic Warden writing out a ticket and running down to explain they forgot to move it and then being allowed to move without any fine.

magick · 13 Sep 2012 at 19:17

Judging by the height, speed, accuracy and power in the kick is it safe to say he was a skilled martial artist?

bitslice · 13 Sep 2012 at 19:26

From the video the warden clearly pushed him with his elbow (note the guy raising his and stepping back), he then retaliated.

The warden is a total idiot for confronting the three blokes about this - someone spits on you, what do you think is going to happen next? Duh...

kierenharrold · 13 Sep 2012 at 19:53

Haggisman said:
Actually you can clear see where he turns his head back and down to aim at the floor at the point where the TW is level with him. If he was spitting on the TW it would be far easier for him to continue facing the TW.

It looks like the guy spits on the floor just before the traffic warden to me as well.

I wonder if he is spitting chewing gum out, and the traffic warden steps in for a litter violation or something.

edit* which might be why he had his pen out, to write a fine. The guy was not having any of it so grabbed the pen... and then it escalated into the kicking.

That's what i see from the video.

both their fault... interfering TW, and chav with anger issues.

*Moangroan* · 13 Sep 2012 at 20:04

Randomface74 · 13 Sep 2012 at 20:07

If that camera wasn't so ghetto they could read the plate of the car.