US official killed in embassy raid in Libya

[No1newts]

Well it seems the way to deal with muslim extremeists is very simple then. Employ silly christians to make silly videos to make silly muslims get so worked up they kill one another protesting.

Why didn't we think of this before?

This.

In an ideal world we could pull out of the Middle East entirely and let them get on with wiping each other out. I'm really beginning to think the world would be a better place for it

Roll on alternatives to oil then we can laugh away.

 

[dowie]

Case in point, i was watching a program on the BBC called Exploring China: A Culinary Adventure, and in the 3rd episode they went to the western border. Where there were large Muslim settlements. The City they were living in was basically divided in two, on one side was the Chinese living in clean neighborhoods in modern housing and generally looked like any western city. And right next door was the Muslim people, it basically look like Afghanistan after a decade of heavy bombing. Piles of rubble and bricks everywhere and everything falling apart. Hygiene was an alien concept as well.

????

You do realise that Muslim population you saw (Uyghurs presumably) are an oppressed ethnic minority.

Your observations could be applied to other parts of the people's republic too - perhaps you could point out that the rich Han people who own businesses in Lhasa are doing so much better than the native Tibetans. Would you then conclude that Buddhists also chose to live in 3rd world conditions.

 

[dowie]

What is there to get? Was there anything to get during last years riots here in the UK? supposedly sparked by the death of some random person 99% of the rioters did not know?

Stupid people will do stupid things.

true

though in our society its only a minority of 'urban yoof', in others (such as Pakistan) they'll listen to some bearded story teller at 'Friday prayers' and get stirred up into a frenzy...

pass round a rumour of blasphemy and you can get an entire village to come out and lynch the alleged perpetrator

 

[Gackt]

I've not read much about this, but presumably this is the usual suspects of angry extreme muslims who are kicking off, whilst the rest of the muslim population sit there feeling embarrased that these people are acting on their behalf?

Or are all muslims outraged in a daily mailesque mob?

I have yet to see a single 'senior' Muslim figure or authority condemning the protests. Obama was quick to condemn the movie, no doubt to save their own backside.

People say that it's just a small minority of extreme Muslims, but rarely do you get people speaking out against them. Perhaps I've been unlucky and haven't seen them, but while it might be an extreme few who do these acts, it seems that many Muslims don't seem to have a problem with it.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, though - although that doesn't of course extricate them of what can only be described as organised brutality. (i.e. religion)

 

[Curio]

I have yet to see a single 'senior' Muslim figure or authority condemning the protests. Obama was quick to condemn the movie, no doubt to save their own backside.

People say that it's just a small minority of extreme Muslims, but rarely do you get people speaking out against them. Perhaps I've been unlucky and haven't seen them, but while it might be an extreme few who do these acts, it seems that many Muslims don't seem to have a problem with it.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, though - although that doesn't of course extricate them of what can only be described as organised brutality. (i.e. religion)

From the stories I've heard/read I get the impression most Muslims think these rioters are idiots and are giving them all a bad name. I heard one leading Muslim journo saying that the movie is so stupid it should have just been ignored as blatant trolling (obviously he didn't phrase it quite like that...) and it would have just died a death.

 

[NeilF]

I have yet to see a single 'senior' Muslim figure or authority condemning the protests. Obama was quick to condemn the movie, no doubt to save their own backside

There are some condemning it... But the alarming thing is, there are some condoning and inciting it! <-- This MUST change!

 

[Craterloads]

true

though in our society its only a minority of 'urban yoof', in others (such as Pakistan) they'll listen to some bearded story teller at 'Friday prayers' and get stirred up into a frenzy...

pass round a rumour of blasphemy and you can get an entire village to come out and lynch the alleged perpetrator

Hardly, we had fully grown men rioting, university students, accountants and god knows what else.

They had "Friday Prayers" as a pass the message around, we had Facebook.

Their out to lynch people, our lot were out shooting at police helicopters.

Stupid people do stupid things.

 

[Craterloads]

Doubt many would post this up with thier thinly veiled as discussion arguments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...03e21c-0406-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

Tens of thousands of Libyans marched to the gates of one of the country’s strongest armed Islamic extremist groups Friday, demanding it disband, as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and four other Americans sparked a public backlash against militias that run rampant in the country and defy the country’s new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership.

For many Libyans, last week’s attack on the U.S. Consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi was the last straw with one of the biggest problems Libya has faced since Gadhafi’s ouster and death around a year ago — the multiple mini-armies that with their arsenals of machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades are stronger than the regular armed forces and police.

 

[Dabbles]

Doubt many would post this up with thier thinly veiled as discussion arguments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...03e21c-0406-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

To be fair, it's about ******* time!

 

[Craterloads]

To be fair, it's about ******* time!

Why so?

 

[Dabbles]

Why so?

Well, so much of the time we hear of 'extremist' Muslims blowing stuff up or storming western embassies in 'retaliation' or generally killing people for 'insulting their belief/prophet/religion' that it is about time that the 'normal' Muslims telling them to stop claiming to act in the name of Islam!

 

[Xordium]

And last year Dabbles did you challenge the rioters? Would you have if you were there. Would you have protested at the mob? Even if they were armed with AKs?

Yes I am sure you would have got in there given them a piece of your mind and bashed them with your keyboard.

Those people are genuinely brave. Doing something I doubt many on here would have the bottle to do. Your average Brit would just watch the events on TV and say 'how terribly shocking'. Not have the gumption to actually do something about it - we can't even be bothered to vote ...

 

[setter]

I dont get it, why destroy your own home town because of something somebody nobody really likes or knows anyway did thousands of miles away

It's a bit like the knuckle scraping loyalist/nationalists who riot here in northern ireland every summer. They wreck theyre own estate, 3 months later theyre complaining that they live in a ****hole

Ive yet to see any of these rioters steal and pose with a bag of value rice!

Thats because they dont get value rice, that incurs a slight charge in their own country. Most of them are living on rice donated by western countries as part of aid programs.

 

[Dabbles]

And last year Dabbles did you challenge the rioters? Would you have if you were there. Would you have protested at the mob? Even if they were armed with AKs?

Yes I am sure you would have got in there given them a piece of your mind and bashed them with your keyboard.

Those people are genuinely brave. Doing something I doubt many on here would have the bottle to do. Your average Brit would just watch the events on TV and say 'how terribly shocking'. Not have the gumption to actually do something about it - we can't even be bothered to vote ...

The UK riots were a one-off and were the result of the poor being frustrated at the government/police, so these events aren't really comparable are they?!

 

[NeilF]

And last year Dabbles did you challenge the rioters? Would you have if you were there. Would you have protested at the mob? Even if they were armed with AKs?

Yes I am sure you would have got in there given them a piece of your mind and bashed them with your keyboard.

Those people are genuinely brave. Doing something I doubt many on here would have the bottle to do. Your average Brit would just watch the events on TV and say 'how terribly shocking'. Not have the gumption to actually do something about it - we can't even be bothered to vote ...

You seems to be missing his (Dabbles) point?

He's suggesting it's about time the voice of reasonable Muslims was heard over the fanatical few who are undoubtably cause much of this trouble...

It's good to hear people within 'their' culture are just as pee'd off with them with their violent outdated views as the rest of the world is.


A comment on that page puts it very well:-

To wake up this morning and find the news that over 30K Libyan Muslims stood up and said NO to extremists is incredible. If this spreads through-out the Muslim world I might be able to change my feelings about the entire group back to what it was before the continued extreme violence ground away my willingness to believe there is such a thing as a peaceful, moderate Muslim. It has really been bothering me that the events of the past years has caused me to become prejudiced against all Muslims and the biggest reason for that prejudice has been the lack of meaningful protest by Muslims against the extremists.

Bravo Libyan people indeed!

 

[[TW]Fox]

Hardly, we had fully grown men rioting, university students, accountants and god knows what else.

They had "Friday Prayers" as a pass the message around, we had Facebook.

Their out to lynch people, our lot were out shooting at police helicopters.

Stupid people do stupid things.

Can you point me to anyone who thought last summers behaviour was anything but the actions of mindless moronic thugs? I'm not really sure what your point is?

 

[Xordium]

The UK riots were a one-off and were the result of the poor being frustrated at the government/police, so these events aren't really comparable are they?!

So you are suggesting the UK riots were to do with sociological issues - discontent with the government and the police - and that the protests in the Middle East and other areas are purely down to the video and have no sociological context whatsover? How interesting,

You seems to be missing his (Dabbles) point?

No, I am not missing his point. He is assuming that such a process is easy to do and not without significant potential consequence. There are significant potential problems to tackling such issues in these countries that can place the people and their families at severe risk. So a flippant oh well it's about time they did something doesn't really tackle the complexity of telling some blokes with Kalashnikov's, who will slaughter your whole family without remorse, that their behaviour is unacceptable.

And also I would add more people have been killed by the West in its acquisition of resources and the spreading of capitalism than any of those muppets could even dream of doing. And the muppets are well aware of that.

 

[Dabbles]

So you are suggesting the UK riots were to do with sociological issues - discontent with the government and the police - and that the protests in the Middle East and other areas are purely down to the video and have no sociological context whatsover? How interesting,

That's not what I said. I said the UK riots were a one-off. In contrast Muslims worldwide go off on one, on seemingly a weekly basis, because they were 'offended' by something. And when they do, they break out the AKs and start murdering people.

No, I am not missing his point. He is assuming that such a process is easy to do and not without significant potential consequence. There are significant potential problems to tackling such issues in these countries that can place the people and their families at severe risk. So a flippant oh well it's about time they did something doesn't really tackle the complexity of telling some blokes with Kalashnikov's, who will slaughter your whole family without remorse, that their behaviour is unacceptable.

I never said it was easy, I said it was about time normal people stood up and disagreed with what their 'brothers' are doing in the name of their religion. For too long terrorists have been claiming to be acting on behalf of Islam without being challenged by their moderate peers.

 

[Xordium]

That's not what I said. I said the UK riots were a one-off. In contrast Muslims worldwide go off on one, on seemingly a weekly basis, because they were 'offended' by something. And when they do, they break out the AKs and start murdering people.

Maybe on a grand sociological problems cause this kind of behaviour thing there are more sociological problems in those countries. The more chaotic the country the more chaotic the protests ... strange that eh who would have thought it.

I never said it was easy, I said it was about time normal people stood up and disagreed with what their 'brothers' are doing in the name of their religion. For too long terrorists have been claiming to be acting on behalf of Islam without being challenged by their moderate peers.

And my point is that is rather easy to say and completely another thing to do. One I suspect you wouldn't have the stones for and therefore hardly in a position to be critical of others would do the same. Maybe I misjudge you maybe you were the kind of bloke who confronted by the mob last year would have given the scallywags a good dressing down whilst they wielded a baseball bat in your face.

 

[Dabbles]

You're just trying to wind people to get a reaction, by claiming that they don't 'have the balls' to stand up to people claiming to be acting in their name.

Sorry, you're not getting any reaction from me.

Your posts in this thread are arrogant and bordering on abusive.