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[Woden]

for what it is worth, my technical experience, skills and academic most likely outstrips yours by quite some margin - I'm the opposite of ill-informed. I'm one of the most informed.

To be fair, people that say that are usually the least skilled and informed.

Apple have a VERY good marketing team. They have managed to create what is almost a cult of people paying inflated prices for sub-standard equipment.

The fact that it is desirable doesn't make it value for money. It just makes it well marketed.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Then you have absolutely no idea how utterly vast the number of roles the phrase "Server Admin" covers.

I detest people who bring a Job title into a debate, especially one about marketing.

Going by your logic, you don't even have an occupation set, so you must be on JSA?

lol

I've got the clearest of ideas I brought it into the debate because you 'lmao'd when I said I had more technical experience than you, yet you were implying I (and many others) are 'ill-informed'.

 

[estebanrey]

my technical experience, skills and academic most likely outstrips yours by quite some margin

 

[Hatter The Mad]

To be fair, people that say that are usually the least skilled and informed.

Most people are stupid and usually act like idiots, so that is a given.

Apple have a VERY good marketing team. They have managed to create what is almost a cult of people paying inflated prices for sub-standard equipment.

The fact that it is desirable doesn't make it value for money. It just makes it well marketed.

To save my repeating myself...

Value is subjective.
...
We weren't talking about value for money, though. We were talking about price - and it isn't too high. The evidence is there for everyone to see; record breaking sales, every year.

 

[Uncle Petey]

And yet they would not pay if the price was too high. Why can't you see that?

Oh ffs... I get what you're saying. What people are willing to pay blah blah...

That doesn't mean that things aren't overpriced, it just means that a lot of people are willing to pay over the odds.
The guy that pays a a couple of hundred quid over rrp to someone that queued up for example, is willingly getting ripped off. To him, it's good value because he has to have the latest thing.

I get it.

 

[estebanrey]

Bill Gates is one of Earth's greatest philanthropists and is giving billions to Africa to fights AIDS and Malaria in African babies.

From that, I can only surmise that Mac users are sexually aroused by the thought of disease ridden black infants.

 

[asim18]

I've got the clearest of ideas I brought it into the debate because you 'lmao'd when I said I had more technical experience than you, yet you were implying I (and many others) are 'ill-informed'.

You're one massive contradiction mate.

I didn't say you were ill-informed.

I said pretty much exactly what you did:

Remember the vast majority of the population is ill-informed on a particular subject

Most people are stupid and usually act like idiots,

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Nice ninja edit

Oh ffs... I get what you're saying. What people are willing to pay blah blah...

Finally - he gets it - and sees that five million sales in three days and brings in more than Microsoft's entire business alone shows that the price is not too high.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You're one massive contradiction mate.

I didn't say you were ill-informed.

I said pretty much exactly what you did:

True, you didn't say me specifically - sorry about that. However, you referred to most of Apple's audience as ill-informed, when the sectors and levels where the Mac (for example) has most popularity contradicts you.

 

[Uncle Petey]

Nice ninja edit

Finally - he gets it - and sees that five million sales in three days and brings in more than Microsoft's entire business alone shows that the price is not too high.

Get over yourself and your degree in pedantology

 

[asim18]

True, you didn't say me specifically - sorry about that. However, you referred to most of Apple's audience as ill-informed, when the sectors and levels where the Mac (for example) has most popularity contradicts you.

Brilliant. So your whole fit about academia and skills was because I said most Apple users are manipulated by (clearly) highly manipulative marketing. Which I even gave an example of; "the biggest thing to happen to iphone since iphone" and "Retina".

Furthermore, I never said Apple isn't popular. So you fail at comprehension. Again.

 

[Things change I've changed]

So Mr Hatter, are trying to say that it's not possible for someone to purchase an over priced product even though I have done so willingly and by mistake in the past?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Furthermore, I never said Apple isn't popular. So you fail at comprehension. Again.

You didn't need to for what I said to contradict your implication.

Anyway, back to where we started:

Erm yes it is overpriced.

No it isn't

So Mr Hatter, are trying to say that it's not possible for someone to purchase an over priced product even though I have done so willingly and by mistake in the past?

Not at all - you may purchase something and find that the price you paid is not in line with the value you extract or are able to extract from it. However, if a price for something is fundamentally too high (which is what people in this thread are saying), then it won't sell... it is as simple as that. The iPhone does sell, so the price isn't too high. That's not to say that the value is there for you, though.

 

[Woden]

Most people are stupid and usually act like idiots, so that is a given..

You said it, not me

The product is over-priced for what you get in return. If your sticking with price not being subjective, the the iPhone is definitely over-priced. It has fewer features and of a lower quality (maps, easily scuffed bezel, cant hold some models if you want to make a call) than many of its cheaper competitors.

Again, Apple are relying on marketing rather than the product. They have created the Apple lifestyle, used form over function, and a myriad of buzzwords, that frankly, would be met with cynicism were it coming from pretty much any other company.

 

[asim18]

You didn't need to for what I said to contradict your implication.

Maybe you'd care to highlight the point at which you think I "implied that Apple is unpopular" so that I can laugh at you some more?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Maybe you'd care to highlight the point at which you think I "implied that Apple is unpopular" so that I can laugh at you some more?

Your implication:

Most people who own Apple products don't even know what's going on and simply believe it's the greatest because Apple clearly told them in their highly manipulative marketing.

My contraction (the sheer number of informed people seeing the value in Apple products):

So too do most people in computer science academia (where the Mac is the most popular), and with the world's best computer engineers (from Google to Facebook to most development shops and startups I encounter in London).

Is that simple enough for you?

 

[asim18]

Your implication:



My contraction (the sheer number of informed people seeing the value in Apple products):

Is that simple enough for you?

You haven't pointed out where I said Apple is unpopular. So more lulz for me i guess

I don't think you understand the concept of popularity.

Wiki describes popularity as "the quality of being well-liked or common, or having a high social status."

I never said Apple is disliked, un-common, or has a low social status.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You haven't pointed out where I said Apple is unpopular. So more lulz for me i guess

Sigh... Ok, show me where I said that you said Apple was unpopular.

I think the 'lulz' are mine.

 

[asim18]

Sigh... Ok, show me where I said that you said Apple was unpopular.

I think the 'lulz' are mine.

when the sectors and levels where the Mac (for example) has most popularity contradicts you.

Everyone knows the word's biggest and leading enterprises are backboned by Microsoft software.

Just because you've stumbled upon a few companies which run Macs doesn't mean jack ****.

 

['Harry]

Over priced? No.

A product is worth whatever the consumer is willing to pay. Sales figures show the consumer is willing to pay £500+.