Notch Snubs Microsoft, Refuses to Certify Minecraft for Windows 8

[Alkalinepro5]

Surely it couldn't be that Valve threw their toys out of the pram because they don't like the idea of any competition for a general purpose online games store as they've gotten used to getting rich taking a slice of other developers games revenue to publish them??

Actually, that would be fair enough, it's Gabes pretence at some kind of altruistic high minded bull**** that irritates me.

Spot on. Valve are lazy as hell these days. (Episode 3 anyone?). Competition is the basic need for R&D, productivity and advancement in technology. If Valve are worried then it is their responsibility to step up. No gamer with a brain are just going to stop using Win8 because almighty pretentious douche-bag Gabe Newell, Notch and any other **** said so?

I think healthy competition will be good for both Valce and Blizzard, and if they fail as a result it is 100% their own fault for not adapting.

 

[FoxEye]

Why are people predicting that tablets will be the future of PC gaming?

Are people suddenly going to stop wanting to play on a big screen (or three?) Will we suddenly decide that squinting at a 10" tablet is "the future"? Will we stop using controllers in favour of tapping the screen the whole time?

It seems ludicrous to me that tablets are "the future" that we all need to embrace. It's not a future that I consider all that great for gamers.

 

[Martini1991]

How is it no better. Better SSD support, faster boot, better resource managment.

Nearly all drivers work, there is a hand full that don't. That's got little to do with the OS and everything to do with manufactures and unrepresentative surprise. It's the same companies that haves. Always dragged these heals one driver devlopment.
Non of that changes how good the OS is, especially as its pre release, and companies have time to make drivers. However being the same core, nearly all w7 drivers work anyway.

For gaming.
It's no better as games work pretty much exactly the same, except some games don't work, and other select things don't work for gaming.

Sure, they don't change how impressive the OS, but as it stands it's no better for games.

 

[Glaucus]

Why are people predicting that tablets will be the future of PC gaming?

Are people suddenly going to stop wanting to play on a big screen (or three?) Will we suddenly decide that squinting at a 10" tablet is "the future"? Will we stop using controllers in favour of tapping the screen the whole time?

It seems ludicrous to me that tablets are "the future" that we all need to embrace. It's not a future that I consider all that great for gamers.

Expect you can plug a tablet into a big screen and any controller device you want, so that's wrong to start with.

You can then also unplug it, take it with you and play the same game.
The fact is full desktops are going to decrease in market share drastically. It's allready started. Most of the public simply don't need a desktop and as such games are evolving and the OS. It's why windows games can now be ported to any device easily, be it Xbox, pc, tablet, x86/64 or arm architectures.

 

[FoxEye]

Expect you can plug a tablet into a big screen and any controller device you want, so that's wrong to start with.

You can then also unplug it, take it with you and play the same game.
The fact is full desktops are going to decrease in market share drastically. It's allready started. Most of the public simply don't need a desktop and as such games are evolving and the OS. It's why windows games can now be ported to any device easily, be it Xbox, pc, tablet, x86/64 or arm architectures.

It's going to be years before the spec of a tablet gets anywhere close to the spec of a gaming PC. You can't even put an APU in there as you can't cool it enough.

So unless people are happy with Wii quality games, we won't be seeing the demise of desktops any time soon...

 

[Glaucus]

It's going to be years before the spec of a tablet gets anywhere close to the spec of a gaming PC. You can't even put an APU in there as you can't cool it enough.

So unless people are happy with Wii quality games, we won't be seeing the demise of desktops any time soon...

Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch the UT engine in the video above running on a terra 3 tablet, also note it's the full pc engine with nothing missing.

Also you do realize there's i5 and i7 tablets being released.
Desktop gaming is going to become even more niche than it is now, costs are ever expanding due to the graphics ability. Developers have to maximize profits w8 allows that by making it easy to port to all markets.

 

[Martini1991]

It might be the full UT3, but it's certainly not running everything like a PC would.
Same way they could port say Unreal tournament 3, but it certainly wouldn't run very well maxed out or look exactly the same at all.

Sure, there's some decent games with Tegra 3 devices, but a lot of the imagery is static.

 

[Moothead2]

Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch the UT engine in the video above running on a terra 3 tablet, also note it's the full pc engine with nothing missing.

Also you do realize there's i5 and i7 tablets being released.
Desktop gaming is going to become even more niche than it is now, costs are ever expanding due to the graphics ability. Developers have to maximize profits w8 allows that by making it easy to port to all markets.

Thing is, so little people actually want to play full fledged games on the go, hence the popularity of games like Angry Birds and Cut the Rope; easy to pull out and play for 10 minutes when on the bus. Also controls for anything with more complicated controls that Angry Birds are just god awful on a tablet so what are you going to do, bring a keyboard and mouse everywhere with you? Tower and monitor PC gaming isn't going anywhere fast, put it that way.

 

[Glaucus]

So lot of top title games use the ut3 engine.

So you think out people are going to spend £600 ona desktop purly for a handful of games?
A niche amount will, the majority won't. As graphics and physics get more advance. The cost to develop goes up. Developers need to maximize profits and the majority of customers simply aren't going to stick to traditional desktops.

 

[Glaucus]

Thing is, so little people actually want to play full fledged games on the go, hence the popularity of games like Angry Birds and Cut the Rope; easy to pull out and play for 10 minutes when on the bus. Also controls for anything with more complicated controls that Angry Birds are just god awful on a tablet so what are you going to do, bring a keyboard and mouse everywhere with you?

Apart from fps and a few other games, most games do not have complicated controls and have people been given the choice?
Why do rats games, take civ5 for example need complicated controls? They are perfectly suited to touchscreens and civ5 has been updated to optimize for touchscreens for the new platforms.

 

[FoxEye]

Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch the UT engine in the video above running on a terra 3 tablet, also note it's the full pc engine with nothing missing.

Also you do realize there's i5 and i7 tablets being released.
Desktop gaming is going to become even more niche than it is now, costs are ever expanding due to the graphics ability. Developers have to maximize profits w8 allows that by making it easy to port to all markets.

All that video tells me is that the tablet was putting out 35-40 FPS in an Unreal 3 demo loop.

Doesn't say what resolution. Doesn't talk about AA. Doesn't tell me whether it was using high res textures like a PC would.

You think that tablet could drive 1-3 1080p screens, or a 1440p screen, with 60 FPS on high settings, like a 2500k with a 7950 might?

You think Tegra is going to overtake dedicated GPUs in the next year or two?

 

[Martini1991]

RTS games would work well on touch screen.
But there's a massive lack of any decent RTS games that have the same complexity as a fully fledged game.

Hell, I'd love to see similar to Rome Total War on a tablet, I'd buy it, but there's a gaping hole where games like that would be.

 

[Moothead2]

Apart from fps and a few other games, most games do not have complicated controls and have people been given the choice?
Why do rats games, take civ5 for example need complicated controls? They are perfectly suited to touchscreens and civ5 has been updated to optimize for touchscreens for the new platforms.

RTS is probably the only one that would work on a touchscreen well but even then, as stated above, won't contain the complexity of fully fledged PC releases. You also mention FPS (Or just all First person games) which accounts for a massive chunk of games these days.

 

[Martini1991]

The only RTS that springs to mine that is actually by a big company is Shogun total war battles or whatever it's called.

And that's just well.. Meh.

 

[Glaucus]

RTS is probably the only one that would work on a touchscreen well but even then, as stated above, won't contain the complexity of fully fledged PC releases. You also mention FPS (Or just all First person games) which accounts for a massive chunk of games these days.

Nearly all games other than fps would work well on touchscreen. Not just rts.

Just be thankfull MS has taken this route, due to the easy porting, it means more games will be available on desktop in the future than they would have.
You'll be able to buy a desktop just for gaming, but many people won't. Just have to look at the marketshare trend and predictions to see what's happening in the market.

 

[V4NT0M]

So I take it MS' plan is to have a game store where they take a cut?

Whilst the idea sounds good to consumers it will be a PITA for developers, look at what has happened to mobile devices after the advent of built in markets and stores. Obviously people cannot go outside of the itunes store but even on android not many people legally go outside of the market for apps.

 

[Glaucus]

So I take it MS' plan is to have a game store where they take a cut?

Whilst the idea sounds good to consumers it will be a PITA for developers, look at what has happened to mobile devices after the advent of built in markets and stores. Obviously people cannot go outside of the itunes store but even on android not many people legally go outside of the market for apps.

Only a metro App Store. Desktop apps can not be sold in MS store.
Yeah the markets have been Great for consumers and producers. Not so good if you're steam.

 

[FoxEye]

Only a metro App Store. Desktop apps can not be sold in MS store.
Yeah the markets have been Great for consumers and producers. Not so good if you're steam.

From the other thread in the windows sub-forum, you seem to have a vested interest in people embracing windows 8. And you seem to be a real advocate of tablet computing also.

I seem to recall you accusing people of being idiots, if they didn't regard win8 as an step forward from win7...

Just wondered why you're so ... vigorous ... in your defense of win8/ tablet computing? It should be clear to you by now that it isn't universally popular direction to be moving in...

 

[Glaucus]

It may not be universly supported, but it is the future it is what the general public wants and will buy(as we've allready seen with explosion of iPad and to a lesser extent android tablets).

People are idiots if they think win8 isn't a step forward, you notice I nearly never attack opinion. But try to base it on facts. Win8 is a clear step forward and people like in this thread that say there is no improvement over win7 are utterly wrong. Notice non of that is based on people's opinions, there's simply a huge host of improvements that have been made.

I have no vested interest, other than I like tech. It should be clear what the marketshare is doing and the pros of cross platform for game developers are.

 

[Moothead2]

Nearly all games other than fps would work well on touchscreen. Not just rts.

Just be thankfull MS has taken this route, due to the easy porting, it means more games will be available on desktop in the future than they would have.
You'll be able to buy a desktop just for gaming, but many people won't. Just have to look at the marketshare trend and predictions to see what's happening in the market.

No they won't. Grab a Sony tablet and try and play Crash Bandicoot effectively on it, it's atrocious. Touch screen controls are just not good enough outside of touch friendly games like Angry Birds.

People who buy PCs just for browsing Facebook and Youtube maybe, but those of us who buy PCs for gaming will not be jumping ship to tablets in the near future, it's a backwards step. Tablets don't even excel in word processing. I couldn't bare to type out a 5000 word essay on a touchscreen keyboard.