Back-to-work scheme ruled lawful by High Court

Castiel said:
Indeed, we need to encourage a more mobile workforce, especially amongst the younger generations who are more likely and able to move for work.
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A mobile workforce needs decent affordable accomodation and that is something this country is severely lacking.
 
SmallestFrog said:
To call JSA comforting in any way is frankly wrong. It isn't enough to live on, period. So there is no comfort zone at all with it. The majority of people I know on JSA want to work, and i live in an area of Hemel that's largely described as being full of the work shy, but its simply not the case. Why would anybody want to live on barely anything a week, incurring debts constantly just to be able to feed yourself and your family?
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Not everyone has a mortgage, a car, a family to provide for, etc.

It's enough to get by if you live with your parents, which I'd imagine lots of people straight out of school do.

I wonder what the most popular age group is for long term unemployment.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this case was heard in the high courts and not strasbourg, couldn't this girl now take her case to the European court of human rights? Are there any appeals allowed for the high courts decision or was this final?

Authorities should not in any circumstances be able to order work done for less than minimum wage, or are the unemployed to be treated like real convicted criminals who are sentenced to community service? Obviuosly another crackpot judge's decision.

Just checked and the girls lawyer is lodging an appeal. if it fails she would then be able to have the case heard in Strasbourg. In the meantime thousands can now put a claim for unlawful stopage of benefit.

A fair days pay for a fair days work, the NMW is the law and no one should be above it, I hope this case goes to Strasbourg, for those who think unpaid work for the unemployed is acceptable should also work for benefit levels, you know practice what you preach and all that.
 
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2 weeks? Gees.... One of my friends has just finished his work scheme, which was 30 hours a week for 6 months forced. She needs to man up!

Jcb33.
 
spankingtexan said:
To the DWP, I hope you have to back pay all those who have been forced into your slave labour scheme, shame on you all.
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there is no preassure to do what the DWP tell you, simply decline their request to work and lose your benefits you will be no worse off than 90% of the worlds population... my tax is not paid so others dont have to work...

Now if someone refuses to work at pound because they are working for some charity or can prove they are out on the streets picking up litter or doing something useful then they have a good point...
 
edscdk said:
there is no preassure to do what the DWP tell you, simply decline their request to work and lose your benefits you will be no worse off than 90% of the worlds population... my tax is not paid so others dont have to work...

Now if someone refuses to work at pound because they are working for some charity or can prove they are out on the streets picking up litter or doing something useful then they have a good point...
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As the post you replied to was aimed at the DWP do you mind me asking if you work in the DWP?
I really think you are missing the point here, I am stating people who work should be entitled to the NMW regardless of circumstances unless the worker has volunteered to cary out work for no pay. It really is as simple as that.

The DWP have clearly been pressurising people to work for their benefit which is much less than the minimum wage and really can't understand why you feel there is no pressure to do what the DWP tell you, threats of benefit loss is PRESSURE and unfair because the claimant wants to be paid for any work he/she does regardless of where that work comes from. Why shouldn't they be entitled to ask for and get a fair days pay?
 
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MadMossy said:
I'm with those above on this, the scheme is flawed and in no way actually helps people back to work.
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Does anyone think that the scheme is meant to help people back to work?

Even the politicians saying that it does can't really believe it - they can't be that stupid. It's such a blatant lie that I'm not sure why they even bother saying it.

Presumably they think it buys some votes and/or works as a tool to falsify unemployment figures. Maybe it does. It's a very expensive way of doing that, since it undermines the whole economy by removing more jobs. Why would a company employ someone when they can get a stream of people they can use as free labour to do the job instead?
 
"those who oppose the scheme are opposed to hard work"

Stopped reading after that. Bunch of ****ing snob-nosed See You Next Tuesdays.
 
Most of these schemes are for 6 months in my area, and you don't get any help with transport or food etc.

I know someone who did 40 hrs a week and after a few months couldn't afford to go anymore. £2.70 for the bus every day and food. adds up when you only get £55 a week.
 
Nobody gets jobs from the Job Centre. The only jobs I have ever seen in the job centre are factory work. The job centre should be the place for employment, but instead it is the place for unemployment.

The main reason I didn't get a crappy job when I left university was to focus on perfecting a decent C.V and to apply to every job under the sun I could see. I turned getting a job into my job.

It would be find if the jobs they 'gave you' were free at places you want to work (I know most work places would love to have some free employees), but quite frankly the job center does not do its primary purpose, which should be getting people into full time employment.

The people who dont want to work always find a way around it and the people who want jobs dont find what they are looking for through it.
 
Arbecht Mein Frei

Work for nothing for the friends of the people in power who in turn can lay off paid staff then hire them back as slaves. Blame it on the lazyness of the slaves rather than the task masters who got us into this situation in the first place. Pit the lower classes against each other and force them to force each other in to their rightful plebeian place.

Brilliant.
 
the problem with back to work schemes is theres not enough jobs to get people back to work.

wait till next year when the temporary work directive starts to bite, already seeing it in a few places here where they are running out of agencies to use because of the 12 week rule (once you have worked somewhere for 12 weeks you are supposed to get full pay and conditions, what happens is you get let go and sent to another agency to come back for another 12 week stint).

as for jobcenters all they are there for now is to manage the unemployed as far as claiming benefits until they can work out how to get them off claiming one way or another, be it a job, back to work scheme or signed off for not attending a back to work scheme.
 
hurfdurf said:
Arbecht Mein Frei

Work for nothing for the friends of the people in power who in turn can lay off paid staff then hire them back as slaves. Blame it on the lazyness of the slaves rather than the task masters who got us into this situation in the first place. Pit the lower classes against each other and force them to force each other in to their rightful plebeian place.

Brilliant.
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The world needs more people like you :(
 
Back when I was unemployed after leaving college (quite some time ago) they offered a program called 'Training for Work' which gave me an extra £10 on top of my benefit plus additional travelling expenses to get the experience I needed.

That was a decent plan.

Unpaid, forced, menial stacking shelves work is not in the same league as what they used to do. Shame on them.
 
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