Nvidia vs Ati Advice

humbug · 13 Oct 2012 at 15:00

gregster said:
^^ £1 a minute by any chance?

Email, completely free, obviously

Final8y · 13 Oct 2012 at 15:27

no_1_dave said:
They do this to see what Nvidia come out with, then they launch a new driver to out perform it. At the end of the day though it is the consumer that that suffers because of the degraded initial performance. They should release the proper driver with the card. Nvidia have done this too in the past, it really annoys me that companies do that sort of thing.

If the 7xxx was just a refresh that would be another matter but to know how to get the most out of new tech and having to start the drivers from scratch is not easy.

no_1_dave · 13 Oct 2012 at 15:56

LtMatt said:
Nice theory but far more likely that the change to GCN took them some time to adapt. Only now are we starting to reap the full rewards of that.

Final8y said:
If the 7xxx was just a refresh that would be another matter but to know how to get the most out of new tech and having to start the drivers from scratch is not easy.

Then why does it happen on every high end card launch?
It's not just AMD either.
One company releases their card, the other company follows suit then oh look, magical performance enhancements almost within the same week the second company launched theirs. The excuse is always the same too.

Final8y · 13 Oct 2012 at 16:03

no_1_dave said:
Then why does it happen on every high end card launch?
It's not just AMD either.
One company releases their card, the other company follows suit then oh look, magical performance enhancements almost within the same week the second company launched theirs. The excuse is always the same too.

First you get things working then you go for the performance and they had a lot more on there plate this time in getting it working first.

Gregster · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:03

humbug said:
Email, completely free, obviously

Sorry, you made it seem as though you was talking to him and not writing to him.

IC3 · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:09

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

How is AMD better bang for buck? Clearly GTX is much faster in over 70% of games.
660 is even faster than 7950 in some games.

I`m not a fanboy.

Gregster · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:13

IC3 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

How is AMD better bang for buck? Clearly GTX is much faster in over 70% of games.
660 is even faster than 7950 in some games.

I`m not a fanboy.

Apparently, Anandtech use older drivers and now AMD have better drivers.

IC3 · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:26

gregster said:
Apparently, Anandtech use older drivers and now AMD have better drivers.

Where did you get this info from?

TheRealDeal · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:27

IC3 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=660

How is AMD better bang for buck? Clearly GTX is much faster in over 70% of games.
660 is even faster than 7950 in some games.

I`m not a fanboy.

I suggest you take another look at your link. There's 10 games in there and its around 50-50. I am not sure where you get that 70% figure. You also have to take into account how much amd cards this gen gain from overclocking and the relative prices.

ptneps · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:28

IC3 said:
Where did you get this info from?

Anandtech bench the cards when they are first released. The scores haven't changed since then so clearly the drivers used were 12.4 or something.

IC3 · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:31

Ok, do you know any reliable websites to see the difference?

ptneps · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:34

IC3 said:
Ok, do you know any reliable websites to see the difference?

Look for 660ti benchmarks as they compare them with AMD cards and use newer drivers.

humbug · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:45

IC3 said:
Ok, do you know any reliable websites to see the difference?

Here is one http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,review-32505-17.html

chipachap · 13 Oct 2012 at 17:55

ptneps said:
Anandtech bench the cards when they are first released. The scores haven't changed since then so clearly the drivers used were 12.4 or something.

Probably 12.1 or 12.2 at latest. They have increased about 15% in BF3 alone since then.

no_1_dave · 13 Oct 2012 at 18:11

Final8y said:
First you get things working then you go for the performance and they had a lot more on there plate this time in getting it working first.

Funny how that's always the same week or week after the competition release theirs. Must just be coincidence :rolleyes:

BrianB · 13 Oct 2012 at 18:12

Red VS Green, with ATI you seem to get more value for money. NVidia you get some nice features like 3DVision, Physx but you do pay a premium and I've never needed to use either of them. I had my 8800GTX installed for Physx to try it out, it used about 100W of power to process this physx which tbh looked a bit unrealistic.

humbug · 13 Oct 2012 at 18:47

BrianB said:
Red VS Green, with ATI you seem to get more value for money. NVidia you get some nice features like 3DVision, Physx but you do pay a premium and I've never needed to use either of them. I had my 8800GTX installed for Physx to try it out, it used about 100W of power to process this physx which tbh looked a bit unrealistic.

Again, AMD have HD3D / Eyefinity which is the same thing as 3DVision.

Marine-RX179 · 13 Oct 2012 at 19:04

humbug said:
Again, AMD have HD3D / Eyefinity which is the same thing as 3DVision.

Except that HD3D rely on 3rd party support and is only compatable with some 3D monitors, and Eyefinity no longer a AMD specific feature now that the Nvidia card would run 3 screens with one card as well. The only advantage AMD has on feature at the moment is the superior (GPGPU) performance, or lower price if anyone see that as a "feature".

Final8y · 13 Oct 2012 at 19:22

no_1_dave said:
Funny how that's always the same week or week after the competition release theirs. Must just be coincidence

Not really as you would not waste your time coding weak drivers if you already have the solution for better, its just too much effort, its only natural to put more effort in were your weakest in regards to the competition once you know where that is.

And no it certainly was not the week after release, its taken AMD quite a bit longer than that.

humbug · 13 Oct 2012 at 19:23

Marine-RX179 said:
Except that HD3D rely on 3rd party support and is only compatable with some 3D monitors, and Eyefinity no longer a AMD specific feature now that the Nvidia card would run 3 screens with one card as well. The only advantage AMD has on feature at the moment is the superior (GPGPU) performance, or lower price if anyone see that as a "feature".

It's the same for Nvidia, it has to be a 3DVision compatible screen.