Scottish independence referendum deal agreed.

well they're foreigners living in a country (which by your reasoning will be a new country and their UK citizenship will be meaningless) that is not thiers.

So yes immigrants unless the government choose otherwise.

But it was up until that point, which is why they would normally become citizens Tefal.

Although we do know Westminster and the Tories to be quite xenophobic so I suppose anything is possible.

Is this the next big hitter on the Better Together campaign, Scots will be classed as immigrants and forced to wear tartan at all times for ease of indentification south of the border?

:D
 
I'd vote no, I am half English but my Dad is Scottish and I was born in Aberdeen. So would all my Scottish Family (Edinburgh based).

Seem's a populist move based on a load of rubbish.........

Perhaps it is a populist move, however it is not based on rubbish.

This Union is costing both nations inefficiently, something that Westminster doesnt want to bother fixing because electioneering is more important to them than actually doing their job.

For England it literally costs money due to the scheme that was built up a few decades ago to calculate where the money goes, even it's creator thinks it was a bad Idea now.

Beyond that is simply societal problems caused by idiots, but often instigated by politicians when they feel like making the divide worse.

For Scotland, the politics are pointless aside from a few devolved matters, but literally no blame can be put on Holyrood because of the current shambles of the union, meaning we have no way to keep Holyrood accountable, all the blame neatly shifts to Westminster, even if it is a devolved matter because it is all rather complicated if you can't be bothered reading thousands of pages worth of documents.

I wont go into the resource hogging, nuclear armaments or whatever other contentious issue which needs no more discussion.

If we cant keep Holyrood accountable, this democracy fails, simple as that, Westminster can no longer service our needs any more, which is why we must leave.

The Union may have worked for oh so many years, that does not mean it worked well, just enough is not enough any more, we are not a colonizing power, so our systems should represent the fact, this nostalgia has to end.
 
It will be the same entity without Scotland. Just as it was after Ireland left the union. Ireland became a new state.

Besides, there's many in rest of the uk that would jump at the chance to 'reapply' because we could renegotiate a better deal as we have done before. This is one of the key benefit of the union. Power at the negotiating table. It can't be underestimated.

Scotland is unique from Ireland Wales and now NI, it wasn't conquered. It joined as equal nations to form a larger one. That just so happened to contain the then English Empire.
 
It will be the same entity without Scotland. Just as it was after Ireland left the union. Ireland became a new state.
It cant be the same entity if the makeup has changed. There are 4 members of the current "United Kingdom" (Scotland, England, Wales, NI). If one of them leaves, then the entity has changed. I'm not saying that the United Kingdom will have to reapply to the EU. Legally, it is a possibility, but Tefal is right:

lets face it though that's not going top happen.
 
Maybe in 1707 but since then Ireland then Northern Ireland have joined the Union...

Maybe he believes Scotland makes the union, and without it the union is nothing? The manner in which he posts suggests a bigoted national view, I'm not 100% on this though.
 
My point being that if Scotland left there is still a Union.
Yes, there is, as i said.
That union will most likely be called the "United Kingdom" as well.
But, although it has the same name as a current EU member, it is not legally the same entity. That means that there is the possibility that the new union would have to reapply.

It's a moot point however, because there is no benefit to anybody of making them reapply and it will never happen.
 
Maybe he believes Scotland makes the union, and without it the union is nothing? The manner in which he posts suggests a bigoted national view, I'm not 100% on this though.

Scotland does not make the Union, it is half of the union.

The whole point in the United kingdom was the fact that the leadership was merged right down to royal union a hundred years previous, which of course wont be cut out because there is no reason to.

I don't entirely understand how this would be done personally, but there just wont be a legal UK after this, only a royal one.
 
Scotland is unique from Ireland Wales and now NI, it wasn't conquered. It joined as equal nations to form a larger one. That just so happened to contain the then English Empire.

It wasn't the joining of two nationions though, and it won't be the separation of two nations either. The entity that Scotland untied with, was and still is bigger that two nations. If Wales was voting to leave the union as some in Wales want would they have less rights than Scotland because they were conquered by a Norman 800 odd years ago?

They would be voting to leave the entity that is now the United Kingdom and would be free to do so the same as Scotland. As a sovereign entity the uk would remain unaffected until we all vote to leave. It's not just a piece of paper signed by England and Scotland 300 years ago.
 
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Then it is a successor state. If it was a new state it would have no liability to the old state.

I'm sorry, I think you're confusing discussions here, because I didn't argue it wasn't a successor state. By your terminology all states that come from the devolution are successor states, and I guess I agree. So I don't see your point.

I think you have a skewed nationalistic view on Scotland that renders you useless to comprehension of any other viewpoint to the ones you have already formulated in your mind.

Go vote douchebag Salmond, then you can hammer your fists when it all never happens and just concludes to be a political wet fart at Holyrood. Then you can carry on and blame the Union for castrating Scotland and restricting it from blossoming into the glorious self-sufficient powerhouse you so believe it could be. You could come here and make a thread about it all and then we could go in tiresome circles again where I could try and discuss how absurd I think you are for believing Scotland would be better off going alone. You can gain your weird self-satisfactory points with derogatory comments aimed at the other posters too.

In answer to why I care about Scotland leaving as it "is such a drain on the UK". I have family and friends I care about live in Scotland and I have many Scottish friends and work colleagues. They don't share the "them and us" viewpoint that many pro independent people seem to however. We're all agreed that we see sense.

Blind nationalism ;)
 
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Maybe in 1707 but since then Ireland then Northern Ireland have joined the Union...

Not as an equal, this is where the issue stems from. They joined the equal partnership of the Union. They did not make it.

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Maybe he believes Scotland makes the union, and without it the union is nothing? The manner in which he posts suggests a bigoted national view, I'm not 100% on this though.

Haha. Yes when all else fails wheel out the bigotry trebuchet.

Scotland and England, in no order of preference, make the Union. If either equal partner leaves that Union, it doesn't exist.

If that is bigotry to you, I think it says a hell of a lot more about you than I.
 
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