E-Cigarettes in the work place.

[Devrij]

your whole reasoning was "it's sold so it's safe" lots of thinsg that are sold arn't safe.


So does oxygen but you breath a **** load of that out too.



no it's a factual attitude to your point of

"vaper is 100% harmless" when it's not, the risk may be low but it's still present and it's also unpleasant I've been houses of vapers and after a whole it starts to smell a little weird wouldn't want it i nan office.

plus not sure the boss would be happy you blowing plumes of water vapor at his monitors for 9 hours a day.

Since you're all about facts, what is your response to the study posted earlier stating that the risk attached to passive inhalation of vapour is virtually nil? Rather than postulating based on erroneous information, why not examine a study directly related to the issue at hand?

And to the people saying "I would/do ban anything smoking related in the workplace" (despite vaping being related to smoking in a way that does not affect the work environment), tell me why? You object to smoke breaks, so let them vape while they work! Smoking was banned from the workplace because of the harm it caused others. Why then, would you ban something that does not harm anyone else, just because it resembles smoking in some form? Is that not a bit silly?

This is really just an issue of association. If you could look at vaping as a separate entity to smoking, rather than dragging in all the recent social stigma attached to smoking, I doubt you would see any objection to make.

 

[Pestilence]

Fact is, it looks like smoking, so the zealots will immediately jump on it with negativity.

You won't be winning any hearts and minds tbh, Devrij. They're already made up.

 

[arknor]

You wouldn't have a problem with tea and coffee being banned at work then? Given caffeine is the mostly addicted to drug on the earth.

lol you cant compare a workplace providing drinks to someone bringing in there own crack pipe

An e-cig is not really any different than someone bringing in a Hookah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah

or maybe someone should bring in a vaporiser and a bag of weed.... no one can complain because the fumes are just water!

 

[Devrij]

lol you cant compare a workplace providing drinks to someone bringing in there own crack pipe

An e-cig is not really any different than someone bringing in a Hookah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah

or maybe someone should bring in a vaporiser and a bag of weed.... no one can complain because the fumes are just water!

Hot drinks produce vapour. E-cigs produce vapour. Both contain an addictive (but generally harmless) active ingredient. Both are ingested orally, but in different states. What's the difference? Also, the point he was making is that the workplace takes caffeine addiction into account, why not nicotine? Which was in reply to someone posting that he didn't see why anyone should have their addictions catered to. Caffeine is an addictive drug which is widely accepted in the workplace so it is a valid comparison.

A crack pipe is very different to a battery and heating coil that evapourate a harmless liquid.

A bag of weed is an illegal drug that impairs your ability to function in the workplace, nicotine is a (legal) mild stimulant that does not.

How could you make a less valid point?

 

[CosmicClown]

lol you cant compare a workplace providing drinks to someone bringing in there own crack pipe

This sentence reminds me of that Brass eye episode.

'Alcohol isn't a drug, it's a drink!'

 

[Pestilence]

lol you cant compare a workplace providing drinks to someone bringing in there own crack pipe

An e-cig is not really any different than someone bringing in a Hookah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookah

or maybe someone should bring in a vaporiser and a bag of weed.... no one can complain because the fumes are just water!

It's entirely different. Both of the activities you mentioned are illegal indoors. One, in fact, is illegal entirely.

A very distasteful comparison, really.

 

[arknor]

Hookahs are illegal indoors? its just flavored smoke?

charcoal + water with fruit or whatever added

 

[Devrij]

Hookahs are illegal indoors? its just flavored smoke?

Yes, and smoke contains harmful toxins, tar, carbon monoxide etc. Vapour does not.

Hookahs use flavoured tobacco btw, not just "fruit and whatever"

 

[arknor]

Yes, and smoke contains harmful toxins, tar, carbon monoxide etc. Vapour does not.

charcoal contains hamful toxins? there is no tobbaco with a hookah

 

[Devrij]

charcoal contains hamful toxins? there is no tobbaco with a hookah

So you're suggesting that burning charcoal is not harmful to inhale? That in burning it, you are not producing carbon monoxide?

And yes, there is.

A hookah (hukkā or huqqah)[1][2] also known as a waterpipe,[3] arghile, or qalyān is a single or multi-stemmed instrument for smoking flavored tobacco called Mu‘assel

from your wikipedia link^^

 

[wnb]

Since you're all about facts, what is your response to the study posted earlier stating that the risk attached to passive inhalation of vapour is virtually nil? Rather than postulating based on erroneous information, why not examine a study directly related to the issue at hand?

And to the people saying "I would/do ban anything smoking related in the workplace" (despite vaping being related to smoking in a way that does not affect the work environment), tell me why? You object to smoke breaks, so let them vape while they work! Smoking was banned from the workplace because of the harm it caused others. Why then, would you ban something that does not harm anyone else, just because it resembles smoking in some form? Is that not a bit silly?

This is really just an issue of association. If you could look at vaping as a separate entity to smoking, rather than dragging in all the recent social stigma attached to smoking, I doubt you would see any objection to make.

All smoking is banned in my buildings, they can go outside when it is break time away from the exits. Why? Because I don't like it and what I say goes, no other explanation is needed. I have no idea how safe or harmful vaping is, I just know it will be a cold day in hell before I allow it.

 

[Pestilence]

Hookahs are illegal indoors? its just flavored smoke?

charcoal + water with fruit or whatever added

It's flavoured tobacco (Shisha), not just flavoured smoke. In the majority of establishments anyway, unless they use Mu‘assel instead which is actually vegetable glycerin based.

 

[Haggisman]

But then, I would personally never deny my staff reasonable smoking breaks the way some companies do, so if they wanted the could e-cig in them. I would even offer assistance to help them quit.

I assume you also allow the non-smokers reasonable "chilling out", "OcUK", "Facebook", "flash games" and "having a chat by the photocopier" breaks?

They are real. Do you call digital radio 'fake radio'?

A better analogy would be internet radio - which is "fake radio" (unless you happen to be listening to it on a wireless connection, and even then the link is tenuous at best).

 

[Pestilence]

All smoking is banned in my buildings, they can go outside when it is break time away from the exits. Why? Because I don't like it and what I say goes, no other explanation is needed. I have no idea how safe or harmful vaping is, I just know it will be a cold day in hell before I allow it.

Indeed. Your right as building manager.

On a more personal, curious note, however -- do you not like it because it "seems" like smoking and you hate smoking? Or other reasons? Obviously smoking around people who don't want to be around it is distasteful for reasons of physical irritation/reaction (coughing, the stench, stinging eyes etc.) whereas vaping offers none of that.

Just trying to pick your brain a little with regards to the mindset as it's difficult for me to understand right off the bat. As I mentioned, though, if you're the manager then what you say goes; you could have a distaste for the sound of apples crunching and demand that anyone eating an apple leave the vicinity - that's your prerogative.

 

[Devrij]

All smoking is banned in my buildings, they can go outside when it is break time away from the exits. Why? Because I don't like it and what I say goes, no other explanation is needed. I have no idea how safe or harmful vaping is, I just know it will be a cold day in hell before I allow it.

Okay, so allowing for the fact that vaping is not smoking, and the only similarity is the inhalation of nicotine, you're saying "I do this because I say so and that's that!". You make them go away from the exits because of the smell, but vaping doesn't leave a strong or lasting odour? Sure, you're in your rights to do that, but isn't that a closed-minded way to operate? I believe other explanation, or at least self-examination IS needed.

 

[Rikki]

I assume you also allow the non-smokers reasonable "chilling out", "OcUK", "Facebook", "flash games" and "having a chat by the photocopier" breaks?

Something that always kinda bugged me ^ - Dont ever remember getting any extra breaks for being healthy and not stinking up the place in any of my previous jobs either LOL

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

We allow vaping inside but you are not allowed breaks for vaping or smoking regardless. There are minimal toxic chemicals or smells released - no moreso than other bits of office kit.

As for anecdotal evidence, everyone I know who has tried one either gave up smoking entirely or gave up smoking tobacco. The ones who still use the e-cigs long term like to remark about how they can actually breathe properly and taste again. Better than dying of lung cancer / congested heart failure imo.

 

[Pestilence]

Something that always kinda bugged me ^ - Dont ever remember getting any extra breaks for being healthy and not stinking up the place in any of my previous jobs either LOL

Our place is almost perpetually "having a chat in the kitchen area". Barely a 10 minute block goes by without someone having a random natter for a bit, smoker or not.

 

[Devrij]

Our place is almost perpetually "having a chat in the kitchen area". Barely a 10 minute block goes by without someone having a random natter for a bit, smoker or not.

Same, there's usually a crowd around the pool table well after the break ends. Making good use of our 90% log-in target no doubt.

 

[Gixer]

So coffee and tea machines should be removed then?

That really has little to do with what I mention. You cannot prevent someone from drinking as we all know the body requires fluid to function. Whilst drinks loaded with caffeine won't have the same effect water does it is still fluid intake.

If someone was off to the coffee machine every 10mins to get a caffeine hit then yes I would expect someone to say something to them as their addiction is affecting there work output.