Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

George Hincapie · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:11

gareth170 said:
basically you want look / feel of windows to stay in the 90's?

Windows 7 wasn't released in the 90s, so I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make?

and please reply saying your a old man and it's difficult to adopt things, that is crap

I didn't say I find it difficult to adapt. I'm all for change if it results in an improvement, but change for the sake of change is retarded, especially when Windows 8 is the result.

I just don't like it. Simples.

gareth170 · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:17

George Hincapie said:
Windows 7 wasn't released in the 90s, so I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make?

the start menu came with windows 95. so windows 7 style is in the 90's

George Hincapie · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:19

gareth170 said:
the start menu came with windows 95. so windows 7 style is in the 90's

Aah, well on the basis, then yes. It works, there's no need to change it.

gareth170 · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:23

George Hincapie said:
I didn't say I find it difficult to adapt. I'm all for change if it results in an improvement, but change for the sake of change is retarded, especially when Windows 8 is the result.

I just don't like it. Simples.

if you don't like it. why not customize windows 8 instead of moaning about it?

I didn't like xp style so I customized it with software, didn't moan about it.

it's impossible for MS to make everybody happy, but that's why there's software out there to make windows the way you want it

prescott28 · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:31

Gareth, there seems to be quite a lot of people who don't want to adapt as things more on. Even my wife won't have Windows 8 juts because 'its not intuitive' though quite what that means I have no idea. She has Office 2010 and turns of the ribbon - one of the best ideas in Office for years.

Adapting to new things is something some people can't cope with. Oh, and I am a wheelchair user so I have to adapt to lots of things over time.

George Hincapie · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:37

gareth170 said:
if you don't like it. why not customize windows 8 instead of moaning about it?

I didn't like xp style so I customized it with software, didn't moan about it.

it's impossible for MS to make everybody happy, but that's why there's software out there to make windows the way you want it

Because I shouldn't have to install something to make it work the way it should work by default. I really can't think of another way to make that clearer. As I posted earlier, if they had left the Start Button alone then I would ignore Metro and use W8 quite happily.

And don't be rude, I'm not moaning I'm complaining. You cannot expect every post in this thread to be positive ones from Windows 8 fan boys.

gareth170 · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:41

George Hincapie said:
And don't be rude, I'm not moaning

George Hincapie said:
I'd simply have disabled Metro and just used the Desktop and I wouldn't be moaning.

your words

so im not being rude.

George Hincapie · 20 Jan 2013 at 13:42

gareth170 said:
your words

I've shot myself in the foot there - can't even attempt to defend that. You win, well played Sir!

theheyes · 20 Jan 2013 at 14:10

George Hincapie said:
Yes, because it gives access to so many 'under the hood' components that I use extensively, especially when setting up a new PC. I couldn't work out how to get to Control Panel for love or money. Yes, I could have Googled it, but why should I? If it's not intuitive then it's crap IMHO.

Your thought process should have been as follows (and I'm not being unreasonable here and making it anything out of the ordinary):

Realise you can't find the control panel because it is not where you expected it to be, and that to "find" something you must first "search" for it.
Invoke the charms (this is explicitly referred to as the new way to use Windows and repeatedly demonstrated before you sign in)
Click on the magnifying glass (this is labelled Search)
Type in "control panel" as your query and/or pick out the icon labelled "Control Panel" in the list

This is a good example of an intuitive system. You gain knowledge through small intuitive steps. We completely gloss over the fact that we already know what a "control panel" is and that a rectangle with a blinking cursor is a prompt to type in your search query. That's intuitive to you now, but you were not born knowing it.

I'm not "picking" on you as such, I'm just quoting you as an example. It's been said countless times that Windows 8 is not intuitive, but what people really mean by that is they expected to be immediately proficient in a completely new system. Which is, of course, absurd.

gareth170 · 20 Jan 2013 at 14:58

theheyes said:
Your thought process should have been as follows (and I'm not being unreasonable here and making it anything out of the ordinary):

Realise you can't find the control panel because it is not where you expected it to be, and that to "find" something you must first "search" for it.

Invoke the charms (this is explicitly referred to as the new way to use Windows and repeatedly demonstrated before you sign in)

Click on the magnifying glass (this is labelled Search)

Type in "control panel" as your query and/or pick out the icon labelled "Control Panel" in the list

or just press the windows key then Type in "control panel"

same had you can do with the start menu

PapaLazaru · 20 Jan 2013 at 15:03

Just downloading it now. It does not give you an option of where to download to, so where is? Non of my hard drives are losing space.

Is it just replacing files with the new ones?

MeatLoaf · 20 Jan 2013 at 15:15

PapaLazaru said:
Just downloading it now. It does not give you an option of where to download to, so where is? Non of my hard drives are losing space.

Is it just replacing files with the new ones?

When its downloaded it will give you the choice of making a bootable USB or an ISO you can burn to a DVD.

You can actually do both if you make the DVD first, then quit the upgrade, then restart it and select USB this time.

George Hincapie · 20 Jan 2013 at 15:32

theheyes said:
I'm not "picking" on you as such, I'm just quoting you as an example. It's been said countless times that Windows 8 is not intuitive, but what people really mean by that is they expected to be immediately proficient in a completely new system. Which is, of course, absurd.

That would be absurd, but immediate proficiency wasn't my expectation. Intuitive = logical and obvious (visually and mentally). W8 isn't to me. Failing to have a tile for Admin on the tiled screen is a fail IMHO. They have tiles for all sorts of completely irrelevant crap there, but omit that. Moving my mouse to a corner of the screen to make the magnifying glass isn't intuitive or obvious.

demonix · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:04

gareth170 said:
or just press the windows key then Type in "control panel"

same had you can do with the start menu

Or if your on the desktop, you could go to the charms bar and click settings which is where direct access to the control panel is hiding (and it took me a few days to find that out).

V F · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:12

George Hincapie said:
I'm not some clueless teenage n00b

We all were once.

vorticalspace · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:16

The only annoying aspect for me is that the Metro Apps if launched keep my GPU running at full clocks.

Took me a while to figure out why it wasn't downclocking.

Allied to this, you can close one app by right clicking the top left corner of desk top but if multiple Metro apps are launched at the same time, the only option is to kill each app individually in Task Manager.

For me, the simplest course of action is to just have a Desktop link on Metro and use normal (Windows 7) style desktop 100% of the time.

As for not having a start button, simply not an issue

Shortcuts to Task Manager, Control Panel etc are placed on the Task Bar resulting in zero loss of functionality.

Simples

PapaLazaru · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:25

MeatLoaf said:
When its downloaded it will give you the choice of making a bootable USB or an ISO you can burn to a DVD.

You can actually do both if you make the DVD first, then quit the upgrade, then restart it and select USB this time.

Cheers.

Appears I just installed it straight off so assume have no backup of it if needed?

V F · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:32

vorticalspace said:
As for not having a start button, simply not an issue
Shortcuts to Task Manager, Control Panel etc are placed on the Task Bar resulting in zero loss of functionality.

Simples

From all the people that whinge about the start button, I find it so hard not to think of...

PapaLazaru · 20 Jan 2013 at 16:33

Not a fan of this Metro and all that horrible crap it comes with. Had to pretty much uninstall as of those stupid 'apps'.

Upgrade was pretty easy though am having to reinstall the Comodo firewall and my graphics drivers.

One · 20 Jan 2013 at 17:08

vorticalspace said:
The only annoying aspect for me is that the Metro Apps if launched keep my GPU running at full clocks.

Took me a while to figure out why it wasn't downclocking.

Allied to this, you can close one app by right clicking the top left corner of desk top but if multiple Metro apps are launched at the same time, the only option is to kill each app individually in Task Manager.

For me, the simplest course of action is to just have a Desktop link on Metro and use normal (Windows 7) style desktop 100% of the time.

As for not having a start button, simply not an issue
Shortcuts to Task Manager, Control Panel etc are placed on the Task Bar resulting in zero loss of functionality.

Simples

Just drag the app from the top centre downwards, as if you were throwing it on the floor. Closes the app. Pretty simple.