Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Freefaller · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:38

Agreed totally Chong.

And it's great to get more opinions on it - I often get slated for lack of love of supps!

Ultra_Extreme · 27 Jan 2013 at 15:48

Chong Warrior said:
It's all down to individual choice, who knows which is the best? I only posted because threads like these rarely give two POV on anything and they can read like gospel to newbies. Just trying to show rarely is anything certain in supplements.

From my understanding the EPA is what helps with inflammation, so if suffering with that then it would make sense to high dose until this subsides. Or if trying to lose some bodyfat then high dosing fish oil could be the rare instance supplements do actually make a difference. I just wouldn't take shed loads every single day in the name of blind good health.

Whilst i fundamentally agree that its dangerous to preach unknowns as gospel in the presence of new trainers. I also question the merit of giving too many vague points of view on a topic. Quite often i think this confuses newbies and leads to indecision and inaction.

Lets say i come along and prescribe a basic routine and diet for a newbie, fundamentally just a solid simple routine and diet they could stick to. Then the next 4 posts are other trainers of varying expertise picking apart the routine and suggesting alternatives and citing iffy websites that preach crazy theories etc. Is this really beneficial for a trainee?

Skillmister · 27 Jan 2013 at 16:08

Ultra_Extreme said:
Lets say i come along and prescribe a basic routine and diet for a newbie, fundamentally just a solid simple routine and diet they could stick to. Then the next 4 posts are other trainers of varying expertise picking apart the routine and suggesting alternatives and citing iffy websites that preach crazy theories etc. Is this really beneficial for a trainee?

That would depend on the quality of the original routine you gave. Because this "newbie" isn't going to know who is knowledgeable and who isn't. (as is quite clear whenever someone makes a fitness related thread in GD, it's all broscience spewed with complete authority.)

RoboCod · 27 Jan 2013 at 16:19

Ultra_Extreme said:
Whilst i fundamentally agree that its dangerous to preach unknowns as gospel in the presence of new trainers. I also question the merit of giving too many vague points of view on a topic. Quite often i think this confuses newbies and leads to indecision and inaction.

Lets say i come along and prescribe a basic routine and diet for a newbie, fundamentally just a solid simple routine and diet they could stick to. Then the next 4 posts are other trainers of varying expertise picking apart the routine and suggesting alternatives and citing iffy websites that preach crazy theories etc. Is this really beneficial for a trainee?

Personally I don't think you need to worry about that (and I know you really don't anyway). I think it's good that the more knowledgeable guys offer their different views and information. Then it is up to us noobs to consider that information and choose for ourselves a course of action. Only time will tell if the choices are correct, and if they're not then just go back and amend them.

icecold · 27 Jan 2013 at 17:02

Chris1712 said:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/omega6_vs_omega3_who_cares
http://www.leangains.com/2011/05/omega-3-fatty-acids-for-muscle-growth.html

These gains.

LiE · 27 Jan 2013 at 18:00

Some savings to be had at TPW if you're planning to order soon.

Use my referral code MM354 to get 250g of whey (great for trying other flavours)
http://www.theproteinworks.com/whey-protein-80-concentrate-promotion.html

King Damager · 27 Jan 2013 at 18:03

Ooh. Choc mint brownie.

I might try tpw next time if they have a good % discount.

kd

Muzza1875 · 27 Jan 2013 at 18:06

King Damager said:
Ooh. Choc mint brownie.

I might try tpw next time if they have a good % discount.

kd

Yea just got the email sounds tasty.

King Damager · 27 Jan 2013 at 18:14

Well, I've still got 7kg of whey left xD

Lemon cheesecake tasted too cheesecakey and not lemony enough

want lemon sherbert from tpw next time.

kd

PAz · 27 Jan 2013 at 18:42

So TPW is by the original MP guys IIRC? (Was a few pages back someone said this).

Is all the whey certified etc or is this going to be another STS Nutrition?

Muzza1875 · 27 Jan 2013 at 19:06

King Damager said:
Well, I've still got 7kg of whey left xD

Lemon cheesecake tasted too cheesecakey and not lemony enough want lemon sherbert from tpw next time.

kd

Yea I've still got 4kg of lemon shortcake and tbh after a few weeks tastes a bit bland might get a few 1kg bags of different flavor and try them all out when i finish this bag.

Freefaller · 27 Jan 2013 at 19:14

PAz said:
So TPW is by the original MP guys IIRC? (Was a few pages back someone said this).

Is all the whey certified etc or is this going to be another STS Nutrition?

I believe they have their products certified. However it's like any certificate it depends on who signed it off.

Zefan · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:04

Just looking about TPW and going to put an order in, what's the lowdown on the flavours?

Obviously it's personal preference but as with everything there's a general consensus on certain things... for instance the cookies + cream from my protein being shockingly sickly!

I saw the comments above highlighting that the lemon shortcake gets a bit bland after a while, anything else worth mentioning before I press the button? I currently have Butterscotch, Chocolate and Strawberry in mind, but there's room for one more in my basket to push me over £90

Muzza1875 · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:11

Zefan said:
Just looking about TPW and going to put an order in, what's the lowdown on the flavours?

Obviously it's personal preference but as with everything there's a general consensus on certain things... for instance the cookies + cream from my protein being shockingly sickly!

I saw the comments above highlighting that the lemon shortcake gets a bit bland after a while, anything else worth mentioning before I press the button? I currently have Butterscotch, Chocolate and Strawberry in mind, but there's room for one more in my basket to push me over £90

Cherry bakewell is nice even after a while.

Why not try out the new flavor let us all know what its like?

tom_e · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:18

PAz said:
So TPW is by the original MP guys IIRC? (Was a few pages back someone said this).

Is all the whey certified etc or is this going to be another STS Nutrition?

That's what I'm worried about, don't fancy getting burned again.

Zefan · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:21

Muzza1875 said:
Why not try out the new flavor let us all know what its like?

Which is the new flavour... Butterscotch from what it looks like on the website?

Muzza1875 · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:32

Zefan said:
Which is the new flavour... Butterscotch from what it looks like on the website?

Choc mint brownie. is the newest i think or butterscotch.

Zefan · 27 Jan 2013 at 20:38

Just looked around and it's the choc mint brownie.

Will report back.

LiE · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:09

I've got butterscotch and it's pretty nice with oats.

sunama · 27 Jan 2013 at 21:51

Syla5 said:
+1

Pretty much your best lifts will come from carb fueled afternoon lifting. I train fasted and in the morning, and yet my best lifts have all been done on a decent amount of carbs and in the afternoons.
The body is just better at utilizing carbs for energy.

The issue here is that YOUR best lifts come when you are carbed up.
Now, whether this is physiological or psychological is something you would need to test out for yourself.
My belief is also that a person's biggest lifts will come when they are carbed up.

I am currently doing an experiment to test this.

For over 15 years I have been a great believer in an ultra low fat (high carb) diet. I have just made the switch after reading around and am now trying out a low carb diet. I am having under 100g of carbs/day. I eat as much fat and protein as I want (no limit). I eat till I can't fit anymore food in my belly.

On a bulk, I would say this is the leanest I have ever been. HOWEVER, this is just the beginning and I want to run this test for another month or so, to check if I am getting stronger and if I am adding fat.

The advantage of reducing fat increase during a bulk is that you can either eliminate the cutting phase (which usually reduces muscle mass) or reduce its duration.

Can someone explain why Oats are so revered on this forum (vs other forms of carbs). I would genuinely like to know.

And does anybody disagree that butter is better than a vegetable oil based spread.

PS: I was reading a thread for a few hours, which uses only scientific sources for information - ie. no bro-science, which is used in this forum (and most others). I'll dig it out so some of you can have a read. It makes for interesting reading.

EDIT: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131171153
knock yourselves out.