Windows 8 who's buying/upgrading

If I have to google to find where the power off option is does that really sound like a well designed OS?
it seems you only had a quick look for it then gave up. if you "knew" win7 that well you would have known you could have just press alt + F4 which is the same in win8.

also theres no need to google. win8 as a good help topics, just press f1 when your at the desktop
 
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I haven't told anyone to get over anything.

Why do you continue to be so defensive?. Please reread my post, I'm talking about people telling you to get over it. That makes the rest of your post pretty much pointless as its just more misguided complaints....'wading in' lol.

You dont need people to tell you to get over it or accept it because you really dont have to

That's as plain as i can say it.
 
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Why do you continue to be so defensive?. Please reread my post, I'm talking about people telling you to get over it. That makes the rest of your post pretty much pointless as its just more misguided complaints....'wading in' lol.



That's as plain as i can say it.

Yup misread your post, my mistake, ignore that bit. The rest stands though.

I'm not defensive, I'm offensive if anything, towards what I see as a backwards step of an OS. That there's a few here who don't like me not liking it seems to be the issue.
 
I still honestly can't believe you had to Google how to shut down. Did it seriously not occur to you to look under settings from charms (explained when you install/log in). Or just press the power button on your PC?

There is no such thing as an intuitive desktop OS. Windows 7 start menu doesn't say "start". Even the ones that did, you have to press "start" when you want to turn the PC off, is that not the opposite of starting?
 
Why would power be under settings? Power management settings yes, actually turning off the PC though? Why not put it on the metro interface, it takes up a whole screen with a whole load of useless info but no power button.
 
Why would power be under settings? Power management settings yes, actually turning off the PC though? Why not put it on the metro interface, it takes up a whole screen with a whole load of useless info but no power button.

I didn't say it was in the right place. I just can't fathom why you wouldn't look.
 
I did look, settings -> power to me looked like power settings, so I ignored and hunted around for a power button somewhere sensible, gave up, googled and all was revealed.
 
Why would power be under settings? Power management settings yes, actually turning off the PC though? Why not put it on the metro interface, it takes up a whole screen with a whole load of useless info but no power button.
as I said above if you "knew" win7 that well you would have known you could have just press alt + F4 to power off which is the same in win8.
 
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as I said above if you "knew" win7 that well you would have known you could have just press alt + F4 to power off which is the same in win8.

This worked in XP, I don't get your point. I didn't use that way in win7, and they've put the normal way somewhere daft in win8 - you can alt-f4 to your hearts delight in either version.
 
Minstadave said:
Yup misread your post, my mistake, ignore that bit. The rest stands though.

I'm not defensive, I'm offensive if anything, towards what I see as a backwards step of an OS. That there's a few here who don't like me not liking it seems to be the issue.

Ok, as the rests stands i will add my comments then.

read me:
I haven't told anyone to get over anything.

Never said you did.

All of my criticisms of win 8 are based on my experience, none are baseless. The example of using windows update - on win 7 I typed start and update and clicked on windows update, if you do it through metro it brings up the update metro app, which is crap. As we had already discussed before you waded in, you can do it an alternate way which brings up the proper interface which is better.

I do not deny that it's inconsistent. Case in point; typing in update brings up the xbox 360 accessories updater for me (I use a wireless 360 pad).

Clearly, though, i touched a nerve when i told you it was in the same place as it is in windows 7. You accuse other people of being offensive yet you use terms like 'before you waded in'. Irony.

Now my criticisms of the OS are shared by others reading some reviews, yet mention them in this thread and people get tetchy or tell me I'm doing it wrong by refusing to follow the norm - I don't like the changes that have been made, I'm entitled to not like it and have outlined why. I don't care if you like it, that's irrelevant to me, you are entitled to your opinion just as I am. I want to vent my frustrations with this software, not argue with those of you who think its the second coming.
This just proves you didnt read my post.

I do think it is reasonable for a new OS to either follow the previous one in ways of doing things unless a better way is possible. My experience of windows 8 is that there are many familiar things buried underneath a UI that doesn't gel together and doesn't make anything easier for my usage. I don't use my computer like a phone, so I don't want my OS to be that of a phone.

That's reasonable I think, if the UI wasn't as old as it was. I believe MS could have done a better job of the start screen and I have posted my own thoughts on it previously and they are really not the thoughts of somebody who thinks windows 8 is the second coming......It's far from perfect. But i do realise they have a need to converge and unify their operating systems and i do understand what they are working towards, here. I also firemly believe it is far from appalling as some people would lead you to believe.

If I have to google to find where the power off option is does that really sound like a well designed OS?

Quite right and I've previously said exactly this myself. They can make that a lot easier.

To my eye it seems win 8 is two separate OSs, the Xbox like metro OS, and the underlying desktop OS. Both have their place, but it's by forcing you to use both that it becomes a problem.

beyond searching and clicking on the desktop icon when you log in, you really are not force to use metro at all. Even then you can get around those if you really want to. You can bypass metro entirely if you wish. I dont but then I dont need to - i barely use it as a log in i guess....once a day? It's such a non-issue that it's almost comical just how much people complain about it.

Now I like little bits of 8, it's very quick to boot for instance, but so far that's all I can see any real progress over 7.

What, you dont like the task manage improvements? what about the file copy dialogue? or the proper multi-monitor support?or the ribbon interface on the file explorer? (dont tell me you dont like the ribbon either.....you do right?). Are the refresh features no good to you either?

I've never claimed these improvements are game changing but what I have said is that, for £25, its a no-brainer for me. Full price.......hmm, no. Wouldnt find me buying a copy or two.

Fortunately I can go back to 7, and at the moment I can see no argument not to - although I have to say I'm less than impressed there is no easy process to do this. Fortunately I have WHS backups of my install so it shouldn't be too painful.

That's right, you have a choice \o/
Gareth170 said:
as I said above if you "knew" win7 that well you of known you could have just press alt + F4 to power off which is the same in win8.

I think it's perhaps a little unfair to presume that joe average knows his windows keyboard shortcuts. Honestly, how many people do? Power-users are a dying breed, you know :p

Minstadave said:
I did look, settings -> power to me looked like power settings, so I ignored and hunted around for a power button somewhere sensible, gave up, googled and all was revealed.

The funny thing is, if you just type in "shut down" and click on settings, it'll give you the option to do so. This is my only real gripe with the search function - it used to include things like control panel applets in the one set of results in windows 7, but now they are listed separately and I dont really know why they've done this :p
 
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I did look, settings -> power to me looked like power settings, so I ignored and hunted around for a power button somewhere sensible, gave up, googled and all was revealed.

Wait...whut?

Settings->power brings up a little menu, literary sleep, shutdown, restart. Did you really look? Did you really try win8?
 
I haven't accused or found anyone offensive.

The "wading in comment" refers to posting about an issue that had already been resolved. No nerve touched, in fact its probably the most minor of annoyances with the OS anyway.

The rest we actually seem to generally agree on but with a different end result so I don't think there's much else to discuss.
 
I think it's perhaps a little unfair to presume that joe average knows his windows keyboard shortcuts. Honestly, how many people do? Power-users are a dying breed, you know :p
but he said he knows it

also there was no need for him to google. win8 as a perfectly good help topics, just press f1 when your at the desktop.
 
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Wait...whut?

Settings->power brings up a little menu, literary sleep, shutdown, restart. Did you really look? Did you really try win8?

For goodness sake dude, yes I found the power icon under settings but didn't click on it AS I THOUGHT A POWER ICON UNDER SETTINGS WOULD BE POWER SETTINGS.
 
but he said he knows it

also theres no need for him to google. win8 as a good help topics, just press f1 when your at the desktop

I'm well aware of Alt+F4, I have used 95/ME/XP/Vista/7/WHS 2011 before.

I just don't use it regularly to turn off my PC. I click the GUI button. In Win 8 the GUI button is somewhere stupid. Is this ok with everyone? Any further questions on the power button?
 
No because it's bloody obvious where it is. It's where everything else is. On the big button where you start everything, even shutting down.

See above, that is counter-intuitive though. Why would I click start when I want my PC to stop? Makes no sense.

There is a lot to not like about win8, but your biggest gripe seems to be purely that it is different. Which is just plain silly.

Now excuse me, the TV is too loud, have to go fiddle the central heating.
 
There is a lot to not like about win8, but your biggest gripe seems to be purely that it is different. Which is just plain silly.


Dear god, maybe Win 8 is designed for those of a simple disposition.

I don't like it because it is clunky, it is a mess, it tries to be a mobile and a desktop OS, it fails at the latter, it may be brilliant as the former but I have not tried it.

Night all.
 
Dear god, maybe Win 8 is designed for those of a simple disposition.

I don't like it because it is clunky, it is a mess, it tries to be a mobile and a desktop OS, it fails at the latter, it may be brilliant as the former but I have not tried it.

Night all.
if you really not prepared to lean and adopt a new os. just go back to win7. job done.

no point moaning about it. MS won't change it to suit you and some others that don't like win8.

metro is here to stay so I suggest get use to it and lean and adopt it or stay with win7.
 
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