Supplements the debate/discussion thread

They cannot add the words if it isn't. I just like good quality foods. :)

None of the shops near me supply coconut oil - or at least not at a competitive price. So I buy it online.

It's no more stupid and ignorant than people blindly buying lots of supps. For me, I'm pretty confident my choices are above average and done with due care and intelligence. i.e. keeping away fro, unhuydrogenated, bleached and lower quality items. You do what you want though, I don't spend my money on supps, but on good quality foods. :)

Taste wise, there's not that much taste, and mainly used for cooking as an alternative owing to it's low to 0 oxidation and high smoke point, it also doesn't denature under heat. I don't often eat it by the spoon, but I do get a decent thermogenic reaction from it which is quite nice.
 
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Surely Freefaller's 800g tub can't be "that" much better than the Tesco brand?
Has anyone actually done a taste/quality comparison?

I can't help feel that some companies are fleecing health fanatics, adding words like "extra virgin" on the container.

I think some of the Indian food stores do coconut oil. I'd imagine they'd be quite cheap.

The difference in virgin and non virgin coconut oil can be quite large in terms of chemicals used to bleach and refine the cheaper stuff which completely wipe out a lot of the benefits.
 
Anyone tried kre-alkalyn and able to compare it to normal monohydrate?

Got a free tub from mr olympia over a year ago now. Good stuff, had never tried creatine before and enjoyed this stuff. Ended up getting just monohydrate afterwards and got the same positive effects... but with added diarrhea after a few days on the stuff. Meh.. comes with the terrority especially for the price difference, i can deal with it.
 
Seem i have got my hands on a free bottle of myproteins kre=alkalyn since a mate has injured his shoulder.

I normally don't bother with creatine since any time i have ever tried it, i bloat like crazy from it, kre-alkalyn by all accounts gives the same affects as mono but minus the bloating issues some experience.

Was wondering if anyone here has personal experience mainly because most "reviews" seem to be sponsored ones or making ridiculous claims.
 
Considering how creatine within muscle will draw water into it (however it starts it, as creatine superduper benzocanlohydrazine or whatever), the precursor compound kre alkalyn will probably not change anything, other than for the placebo effect.
 
Theproteinworks seem to be trendy at the moment. I can vouch for their stuff, many different flavours that MP don't have (Butterscotch Ripple oh my ffffuuuuuuuuuu) and use all natural ingredients as opposed to sweeteners that other sites have.

If you do order with them you can use my referral link or enter 3337 on registration to get a free 250g pack of their 80% whey concentrate (their version of MP impact).

https://www.theproteinworks.com/rewardpoints/index/goReferral/referrer/3337/
 
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Sooooo FF, I've been taking that Rhodiola Rosea you linked on Amazon now for a couple of weeks now, one tab a day in the morning fasted (as I don't eat till mid-afternoon most of the time).

I... think it's working. Cool stuff.
 
I'm currently using OneOn chocolate whey, seems decent, tastes nice and mixes well.

I have however been feeling bloated these last few weeks although its probably a coincidence
 
Sooooo FF, I've been taking that Rhodiola Rosea you linked on Amazon now for a couple of weeks now, one tab a day in the morning fasted (as I don't eat till mid-afternoon most of the time).

I... think it's working. Cool stuff.

It's not a dramatic "kick" like caffeine. I take one in the morning and one midday - and I just like the effect it has on me, it's not a massive lift, but I certainly feel less fatigued and generally more relaxed but focussed at the same time. It won't fix depression or if you're in a **** place of course.

How has it manifested itself for you?
 
You can buy the powder as long as it's 3% rosavins you'll be reet.

If not I've got myself the following:

http://www.echemist.co.uk/p-viridian-maximum-potency-rhodiola-rosea-root-veg-caps

1. Composition


The plant rhizome of rhodiola rosea initially consists of many compounds including essential oils, fats, waxes, sterols, glycosides, organic acids such as oxalic, citric, malic, gallic, and succinic as well as phenolics including tannins and proteins. [1] The dried rhizome contains a mere 0.05% essential oil of which the most important subset for supplementation, Geraniol, consisted of 12.49% by weight.[2]

Geraniol's oxygenated metabolite Rosiridol and the compound Rosiridin (of which the former is an aglycon of) are considered the most active essential oil of Rhodiola Rosea supplementation.

Other non-essential oil compounds of Rhodiola Rosea include the polar water extracts such as polyphenols, flavonoids, proanthycyanidins, and gallic acid derivatives (amongst others).[3]. The water soluble component with the most biological activity in vivo was determined to be p-hydroxyphenylethyl-O-ß-D-glucopyranoside, more commonly known as Salidroside (also known as Rhodioloside or Rhodosin)[4]

The proanthocyanidin content of the water solubles consisted a great deal by weight (50-70%) and is credited for Rhodiola Rosea's potential anti-oxidant, anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, anti-allergic, anti-mutation, anti-aging and liver health properties.[5]

Rhodiola Rosea is used above other species of Rhodiola due to it's comparatively high Rosavin (essential oil) content while still having an appreciable salidroside content.





Edit2. SHR-5


Rhodiola Rosea SHR-5 is a standardized extract of Rhodiola Rosea that is used in most human studies. When buying Rhodiola Rosea it is advisable to seek this specific standardization on the label.





Edit3. Pharmacology


In the body, Rhodiola Rosea (in regards to the Rosiridin, Rosiridol and Salidroside contents) has been found to be:

Neuroprotective against hypoglycemia[6], excitotoxicity from glutamate[7][8] and oxidation from beta-amyloids[9] and hydrogen peroxide radicals[10]


Cardioprotective by protecting cardiomyocytes against Ischemia[11][12]


Anti-diabetic by increasing glucose uptake into myocytes via activation of AMPK[13], as well as protecting neurons from periods of hypoglycemia, which is of interest to management treatment. Rhodiola Rosea may also act as a low-grade ACE inhibitor[14]


Hepatoprotective against tacrine-induced toxicity (although another species of Rhodiola was used in which the compounds Kaempferol is confounded)[15] and agaisnt acetominophen-induced toxicity[16]


Most of the protection effects of Rhodiola Rosea seem to be from the Salidroside component, whereas mood and cognition seem to come from the essential oil subsets of Rosiridin/Rosiridol.

The 'adaptogenic' effects of Rhodiola Rosea, alleviating the stress response, arise mainly from the ability of Rhodiola Rosea to minimize the cellular mechanisms responsible for initiating the stress response in the hypothalamus. This includes cortisol, protein kinases p-JNK, heat shock proteins, and some signaling proteins (DAF-16, FoxO) used in the stress response[17]

It is suspected that Rhodiola Rosea might be a valuable addition to treatment programs for depression due to it's lack of interactions with some other medications such as theophylline or warfarin[18]





Edit4. MAOI Activity


The Rosiridin subset of Rhodiola Rosea was found to act as an inhibitor of both Monoamine Oxidase A and B.[19]

This is one of the reasons Rhodiola Rosea may exert itself as a cognitive booster and anti-neurodegenerative agent, but caution should be taken when pairing any MAOI with other agents that increase monoamines such as dopamine or adrenaline.





Edit5. Cognition




5.1. Fatigue


In humans, Rhodiola Rosea has been shown on numerous occasions to reduce fatigue, improve mood, and alleviate stress in conditions as far ranging from exam periods,[20] general stress,[21][22][23] and stress-related depression.[24]





Edit6. Interactions with Exercise and Performance




6.1. Acute Usage


Effects on humans using Rhodiola Rosea as an acute ergogenic aid to increase exercise performance are mixed. With some results showing no significant difference[25][26] and some showing benefits.[27] It is suspected that this may be an issue of herbal potency (variations in active ingredients due to growing conditions) and a supposed bell-shaped curve of Rhodiola Rosea activity, in which it is ineffective in low doses and very high doses.[28]

One study using an acute dose of 3mg/kg bodyweight of SHR-5 (3% Rosavins, 1% Salidroside) noted that ingestion of the supplement prior to a 10k bicycle ride showed significantly reduced time to complete the ride (25.4 minutes relative to 25.8 minutes) and reduced heart rate during the warmup (136+/-17 relative to placebo's 140+/-17) but not during exericse, which alongside average power output and cadence only trended towards improvement.[29] This study was conducted in recreationally fit women, and the subjects reported less subjective fatigue after consumption of Rhodiola Rosea.[29]


Scientific Support & Reference Citations

Rosenroot (Rhodiola rosea: traditional use, chemical composition, pharmacology and clinical efficacy)

Stimulating effect of adaptogens: an overview with particular reference to their efficacy following single dose administration

Evidence-based efficacy of adaptogens in fatigue, and molecular mechanisms related to their stress-protective activity

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3.Phytoconstituents and Anti-oxidant potency of Rhodiola Rosea - A versatile Adaptogen
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It's a very subtle effect, but I prefer the powder as it's usually more potent - but it's a faff and doesn't taste nice.

Chong is another advocate of RR. I do sometimes suffer stress/anxiety and I find RR does help abate those symptoms.
 
It's not a dramatic "kick" like caffeine. I take one in the morning and one midday - and I just like the effect it has on me, it's not a massive lift, but I certainly feel less fatigued and generally more relaxed but focussed at the same time. It won't fix depression or if you're in a **** place of course.

How has it manifested itself for you?

A subtle boost in the mornings even when I haven't had a great amount of sleep, a little more concentration perhaps (although since I started IF I tend to feel more alert in the mornings anyway), and my libido seems to have gone up a touch! I work basically nurse hours but in IT, so my sleep pattern can be all over the place which is a little stressful, this stuff may be taking the edge off, although I read a lot about the effects so I might just be convincing myself lol.

Lie, I got the Viridian ones. I ordered the largest bottle (150 caps) but they sent me 90 by mistake. I took a pic and they sent me what I should have got, so I got 90 for free basically. W00t.
 
Oh and FF - used your BulkSuppsDirect code to get a fiver off the Super Omega 3 tabs and ZMA as I'm once my Alpha Men runs out I'm not bothering with a multi any more. Cheers!
 
I've never tried them so can't comment on their quality but they've been waiting a looooong time for that new protein supplier! It's definitely soon? Wouldn't mind seeing what all the fuss is about ;)
 
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