1) there is no god
2) if we were designed to eat meat, then why are people eating a plant based diet, healthier and half less instances of heart disease, cancer etc. than meat eaters
Cant balance out monthly shops - thinking of trying a butchers for the meat.
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1) there is no god
2) if we were designed to eat meat, then why are people eating a plant based diet, healthier and half less instances of heart disease, cancer etc. than meat eaters
Utter drivel!
Vegetarian/vegan diets are wholly inferior to a balanced diet that includes both a variety of fresh meats/fish/animal fats/eggs & dairy products along with fresh fruits, vegetables, pulses, nuts, seeds etc. Humans are omnivorous and our digestive systems have evolved as such, our long alimentary tract is suitable for breakdown of plant matter, and the production of HCL (stomach acid) and bile along with various digestive enzymes are used to breakdown animal muscle & fat.
The people who are healthier with less instances of heart disease etc are those that either have no access to or deliberately avoid highly processed/refined sugars/grains and other modern convenience foods, the heart disease you speak of has no correlation whatsoever with the eating of fresh meat or animal fats.
Infact, an ill thought out vegan/vegetarian diet is likely to have dire health consequences, many vegans/veggies replace animal products with poor carb choices such as those mentioned above.
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OP - there is a simple answer to everything
SPREADSHEETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our food bill for 2 people is coming in at about £350 a month and we buy NO snacks as neither of us are bothered about biscuits, crisps or chocolate etc.
I knocked up a detailed spreadsheet firstly to monitor what we spend and another one to note down what we eat each day and each week.
In the end, I noticed the quantity for a start was far too much.
I went through my list and found many of the ingredients I was putting too much in simply to 'use' them up. By having a rough weekly plan I now buy the exact amount which has also allowed me to reduce the amount. But what I did was spread my meals out more.
Instead of for example 2 poached eggs with my breakfast I just have 1. But I have 1 with my lunch. I still get my 2 a day but i'm now not as starving when I get home so I have no need to make an insane pile of food for my dinner.
I've knocked my bill down about 20% just by being more organised with my eating habits.
I have a mix of supermarket and local produce. For chicken it's always covered in herbs and spices or in a sauce so I find the cheaper stuff to be fine. If I want a nice steak though the supermarket ones are just awful. I use my local farm shop for those.
If i want gammon steak, the farm shop is not to my taste at all. Supermarkets ones are ok but expensive. Local butchers give me a HUGE gammon steak for £1 and it's very tasty.
Farm shop is 100% better quality for fruit and veg than the supermarkets round my way and about the same price.
Food is simply very expensive though. Not really much can be done. I certainly would never recommend buying cheaper ingredients. If I ever had to cut back i'd certainly be curing back on other things first like nights out.
SPREADSHEETS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our food bill for 2 people is coming in at about £350 a month and we buy NO snacks as neither of us are bothered about biscuits, crisps or chocolate etc.
I knocked up a detailed spreadsheet firstly to monitor what we spend and another one to note down what we eat each day and each week.
In the end, I noticed the quantity for a start was far too much.
I went through my list and found many of the ingredients I was putting too much in simply to 'use' them up. By having a rough weekly plan I now buy the exact amount which has also allowed me to reduce the amount. But what I did was spread my meals out more.
Instead of for example 2 poached eggs with my breakfast I just have 1. But I have 1 with my lunch. I still get my 2 a day but i'm now not as starving when I get home so I have no need to make an insane pile of food for my dinner.
I've knocked my bill down about 20% just by being more organised with my eating habits.
I have a mix of supermarket and local produce. For chicken it's always covered in herbs and spices or in a sauce so I find the cheaper stuff to be fine. If I want a nice steak though the supermarket ones are just awful. I use my local farm shop for those.
If i want gammon steak, the farm shop is not to my taste at all. Supermarkets ones are ok but expensive. Local butchers give me a HUGE gammon steak for £1 and it's very tasty.
Farm shop is 100% better quality for fruit and veg than the supermarkets round my way and about the same price.
Food is simply very expensive though. Not really much can be done. I certainly would never recommend buying cheaper ingredients. If I ever had to cut back i'd certainly be curing back on other things first like nights out.
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Y'all quit blathering about diets, ffs. Get off the bloody high horses and, if you feel like it, eat them too. They're bloody tasty.
In the end, we're all destined to drop stone dead. What the hell does it matter.
In the end, we're all destined to drop stone dead. What the hell does it matter.
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I'd say on average for me, the wife, and two dogs we spend about £300/month on shopping. That includes toiletries etc. so not just food. The majority of it goes towards fresh fruit and veg (everything we eat is cooked from fresh except for the occasional rice packet for lunch or something), meat and booze if I'm drinking at the weekend.
Everything else in terms of tinned stuff (beans, tomatoes etc.) are almost entirely kept the "smart price" variants.
Yeah but I'd rather drop stone dead at 120 years old whilst headbanging to Amon Amarth, having never succumbed to the usual cognitive, physical decline and general decrepitude of old age! We've lived as warriors, let's die as such!
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I agree with Jono but make sure the butcher is not flogging a dead horse!
If the guys in the abattoirs had taken the saddles off the horses before putting them into burgers none of this would have come to light, hey?
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You can say exactly the same about the inuits and other people who have an almost fully meat based diet, it's the avoidance of crap man made food rather than cutting out meat or plants that does it.
Caution for anyone who picks up a cheap fridge-freezer to put in a garage. If it has a single thermostat in the fridge section and it's cold in the garage, the compressor isn't run. If it's consistently cold for a few days, the freezer will start to thaw out.
Back on-topic, +1 for stocking up from Costco. We go 3 or 4 times a year and load the freezer up with mince, stewing steak, lamb steak, pork steaks, and sometimes treats like duck or venison. Split it into bags (eg pairs of steaks or 500g mince) and freeze.
Next you'll be saying that eating fat is really bad for you and makes you fat.
But everyone knows that Inuit people are freaky over weight and constantly dropping dead due to heart disease because of all the saturated fat they eat.
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Hi guys
Think i need some advice me and the GF have nearly been in our place together for a year now and we seem to have stupidly higher monthly shopping bills than our friends which are in the same situation.
We have been going to asda for everything and averaging at around £200-£280Half of the stuff is smartprice so it isnt like were getting the rolex of cerals. Although our friends keep suggesting to go and get our meat from the butchers seperate. They are apparently paying around £100 a month on meat and then £70 for the rest. This is like nearly £100.00 saving. Do you guys do or notice the same?
Thanks.
£200-£280 shopping bills?! Thats a hella lot. (or maybe I just eat like a pigeon).
Try Aldi.
Statistically, people who are veggie/vegan are more likely to also focus on other aspects of a healthy life, such as exercising and not smoking/drinking.
This skews the data, as meat eaters tend to have a mixture of people with healthy and unhealthy lifestyles.
Also, I was always under the impression that pork wasn't considered a red meat, red meat being meat than can be safely eaten rare, unlike pork and poultry.
Lean cuts of pork are really low in fat.
Low fat meat isn't better than meat higher in fats though.
All this low fat stuff is rubbish and counter intuitive to being healthy.
Couldn't agree more but unfortunately people don't seem to want to hear this, they seem to like their skimmed, trimmed, fat free, low fat tasteless foods "cholesterol kills don't you know?", "cholesterol causes CHD/CVD!"
Yeah sure, a substance that is so important to our very existence that every cell in the human body is capable of synthesizing it, every cell requires it! is lethal and kills us!
No cholesterol = no life.
nor me -we're 2 people, with 2 kids and 2 cats - and are @ 160 a week average - we don't drink much either (1 bottle a week max)
plus sporadic additional shops for food too
I didn't way it was, but all the negative stigma around red meat is due to sat fat and cholesterol, which pork doesn't have the same abundance of compared to beef, yet is still lumped in the same group.
I recall an ad campaign in my youth about pork being "the other white meat".
Yeah, £100 a week on average for 2 of us including sundries (not including pet food, which is about £35 a month).