Supplements the debate/discussion thread

mrthingyx said:
Trick is to get the dose right.

Research papers I've looked at (all two of the ones I can find for HGH) suggest a minimum of 15g in one go to get a statistically significant elevantion in circulating HGH, hence my odd dose system.

So splitting pre-workout and pre-bed will not yield the same effect.

And it is by far and away the worst thing I've ever voluntarily consumed.
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This was my concern.

I was following 170mg/kg, but it's too expensive to do that twice a day!

hmmm....
 
ElliottJames said:
Can anyone recommend anything to help with sleep? Have trouble getting to sleep earlier then 1am, and I've got to be up at like 7am so It's hard.
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The only thing that has worked for me is: HMB. I find it gives me a deeper sleep.

Supermarkets have Nytol, though in my experience this is useless. I did an all-nighter (stayed awake for about 30 hours) after having Nytol and then forgetting that I took it.

I'm sure if you browse boots website, you might be able to pick up a mild sleep assistance tablet.
 
Question regarding coconut milk.
Is coconut milk a healthy food?
I have a few tins of it and I was thinking about mixing it with vegetables (rather than butter, which I am currently doing).
 
ElliottJames said:
I need them literally. Not addicted, but the appetite suppressant, would be hard for me to cut without them. Live such an active life so always hungry so they're a savior cycling them. And I don't take them after 6pm to be fair.
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6pm is quite late to be taking them as they're quite strong iirc, I tried them out years ago.
Try taking them at lunch time at the latest.
 
ElliottJames said:
Can anyone recommend anything to help with sleep? Have trouble getting to sleep earlier then 1am, and I've got to be up at like 7am so It's hard.
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Read a book.

Keep away from computers and tv at least one hour before bed.

Go to bed earlier.

learn to meditate.

ElliottJames said:
I need them literally. Not addicted, but the appetite suppressant, would be hard for me to cut without them. Live such an active life so always hungry so they're a savior cycling them. And I don't take them after 6pm to be fair.
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You do *not* literally need them. You just need to exercise self control - drink more water if you want to stop yourself over eating, or eat more bulky veg to fill you up.

6pm is too late.

You need to learn to not rely on supps.
 
sunama said:
Question regarding coconut milk.
Is coconut milk a healthy food?
I have a few tins of it and I was thinking about mixing it with vegetables (rather than butter, which I am currently doing).
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There was an uproar about the BPA used in the tinned foods, and the intolerance to guar gum associated with it. However other than that it has all the benefits of coconut oil - MCT, lauric acid etc...
 
I've went ahead and ordered some Beta Alanine from MP along with some Green Tea extract. What's everyones thoughts on B.A? Are the tingles etc worth it?
 
Freefaller said:
It's not a dramatic "kick" like caffeine. I take one in the morning and one midday - and I just like the effect it has on me, it's not a massive lift, but I certainly feel less fatigued and generally more relaxed but focussed at the same time. It won't fix depression or if you're in a **** place of course.

How has it manifested itself for you?
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good to know, just found some in the cupboard so will start taking it in the mornings.
 
lewism said:
I've went ahead and ordered some Beta Alanine from MP along with some Green Tea extract. What's everyones thoughts on B.A? Are the tingles etc worth it?
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Taken in the right doses, it is one of the very few supplements that has any evidence base, as it increase muscle carnosine.

This is good for power output. :)
 
icecold said:
Interdasting.

I've been using just under that pre workout. Hard to say if it's doing anything at this stage. Because of the amount of carbs I consume post workout, I think it's safe to say that I'm suppressing any GH response there.

Might play around with pre bed disgusting drink gains.
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Well, second night on OAKG at around 15g in one go (yup - still dumb! :D)...

Friday is a normally my workout that cripples me with DOMS for around 3 days because of all the hateful super sets in it, so I figured it would be an interesting benchmark to determine what OAKG does - if anything.

Now I'm not doing this scientifically but my lat and pec DOMS is definitely nowhere near as bad this morning as it normally is after this workout. The DOMS is still very much there, but has not made it into that zone where no normal movement is possible. I'd say it's down by at least a third: still hurts, but I can move normally.

Now, take this for what it is: the opinion of a forum poster who's consumed a supplement without a huge amount of strict protocol, or even a control for the comparison. However, I am leaning towards the conclusion that it relieves a fair amount of DOMS. I'm going to carry on watching it to see if the effect is replicated on different days, but it seems positive so far... :)
 
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