Anyone ever become an atheist after believing?

Jason2 said:
Are you one of those people who believes evil wouldn't exist if religion didn't? :rolleyes:

I'm not doubting most religions are evil, but I'm not a religious guy. I have relationship with our creator, and that is a beautiful thing.
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No, but I believe a lot of evil is perpetuated by religion. I can give you examples if you wish.

Are you one of those people who believe that without religions we would have no morals?

You have a relationship with the universe?
 
Jason2 said:
I've said before, sciences serves only to observe the laws that God has set. How does that in any shape or form disprove God?
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You are without doubt trolling. How can you say this, though in another thread your have stated you would happily murder someone?

You have serious issues.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
It needs to make way for a shift in consciousness which humanity seems to desperately need.
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It's in the process of doing so. Paraphrasing but religion has been described as the ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance. Religion has had it's card punched and it's now just on the slow walk of shame out the door.
 
Jason2 said:
Are you one of those people who believes evil wouldn't exist if religion didn't? :rolleyes:
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I think that unlikely, though will not answer on another's behalf.

Regardless, that religion perpetuates evil cannot be argued.

Jason2 said:
I'm not doubting most religions are evil, but I'm not a religious guy. I have relationship with our creator, and that is a beautiful thing.
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Unfortunately that relationship is one way :(
 
PapaLazaru said:
You are without doubt trolling. How can you say this, though in another thread your have stated you would happily murder someone?

You have serious issues.
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I wasn't be literal now was I. If you believe I was then more fool you. People say things like "I'm gonna kill you" all the time. Do you believe that they actually will?
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
True. Fair point.

I just think religion in general has caused nothing but problems. It needs to make way for a shift in consciousness which humanity seems to desperately need.
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Actually I disagree. In a time when mass control was not a bad thing (or was less of a bad thing) and 'god-fearing' was synonymous with 'law-abiding' than it would have resolved many issues.

It has had its time and needs to be retired, but it was a force for good in the past.
 
Gilly said:
Actually I disagree. In a time when mass control was not a bad thing (or was less of a bad thing) and 'god-fearing' was synonymous with 'law-abiding' than it would have resolved many issues.

It has had its time and needs to be retired, but it was a force for good in the past.
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Oh yea it was good in past to teach people to be good to your fellow man etc., there are aspects of Christianity I think have really positive teachings.

But it just gets taken too far.
 
Jason2 said:
I wasn't be literal now was I. If you believe I was then more fool you. People say things like "I'm gonna kill you" all the time. Do you believe that they actually will?
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You were being very literal and defending it to the point that you said you needed a break as anyone who disagreed with you, was making you very angry.

Anyone could read that thread and agree with me.
 
elmarko said:
Actually, we are all born implicit atheists - we lack a belief in a deity.

We are not born agnostic as we don't have capacity to view the concept of a deity as being unknowable - neither are we born as an explicit atheist (as we lack the ability to reject the concept)

Agnosticism also requires a level of intelligence to comprehend.

Implicit atheist is simply the lack of a belief - requiring no cognitive function.

Implicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".

Explicit Atheism = "the absence of theistic belief due to a conscious rejection of it".

Agnosticism = "the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable."
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The problem is that implicit atheism in that definition is disputed and it is really attempting to engineer a broad definition that includes everyone, it is relatively new (G.H Smith 1979) and is not universally accepted as valid (Nagel).

There is significant dispute over the point that Atheism is a cognitive decision and not simply a default position requiring no input from the subject.

I am of the opinion that a baby is not born into any particular theological or philosophical position as it has yet to define and express for itself what its thoughts and ideas are...essentially, a baby may well be ingrained with a deep understanding of God or not, we wouldn't know either way as the baby has no effective way to express such complex ideas in any meaningful way, you may as well say a baby doesn't believe in Chickens.
 
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PapaLazaru said:
You were being very literal and defending it to the point that you said you needed a break as anyone who disagreed with you, was making you very angry.

Anyone could read that thread and agree with me.
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I agree with you...

I'm not sure if the other poster is simply trolling though
 
Gilly said:
Actually I disagree. In a time when mass control was not a bad thing (or was less of a bad thing) and 'god-fearing' was synonymous with 'law-abiding' than it would have resolved many issues.

It has had its time and needs to be retired, but it was a force for good in the past.
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Actually I disagree (to an extent). Whilst popular perception of "religion" tends to lean to the negative side, my experience - at a local level - is that of a force for good amidst the vacuum of an uncaring society. I'm involved in various groups that assist the homeless, vulnerable, elderly, sick and hungry, that provide free legal and other advice, and generally try to help where help is needed and government/society as a whole has failed. Yes, there is plenty wrong with "religion" but there is still a great deal that is good about it and it has much to offer.
 
DanielMMS said:
Actually I disagree (to an extent). Whilst popular perception of "religion" tends to lean to the negative side, my experience - at a local level - is that of a force for good amidst the vacuum of an uncaring society. I'm involved in various groups that assist the homeless, vulnerable, elderly, sick and hungry, that provide free legal and other advice, and generally try to help where help is needed and government/society as a whole has failed. Yes, there is plenty wrong with "religion" but there is still a great deal that is good about it and it has much to offer.
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That's more about you and the people that you know than the religion you associate with.
 
Gilly said:
That's more about you and the people that you know than the religion you associate with.
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You do know western society is pretty much built on Christian ethics? I know numerous members of the church who go out during those bitter cold nights and offer food and shelter. That's the Christian way. That's what Christ called for.
 
Jason2 said:
You do know western society is pretty much built on Christian ethics? I know numerous members of the church who go out during those bitter cold nights and offer food and shelter. That's the Christian way. That's what Christ called for.
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Why do you associate the West with Christ? A Middle-eastern black man.

Ethics != Christian ethics.
Morals != Christian morals.
 
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