New Pope

aln said:
Ignorance vs ignorance is a fair fight.

To be fair though, being gay, can't have that. Fiddled some kiddies... Ah better cover that up. Religious moral authority for you. They deserve all the bashing they get.
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aln said:
So you don't understand taking the **** out of an organisation that claims moral authority while suppressing convictions of child abuse from the upper echelons? Yeah you probably would think I was a dribbler then, wouldn't you. :)

Of course I'm all too happy to see the new guy change tact, but I suspect it's a case of meet the new guy, same as the old guy. Time will tell.
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Good posts. Astounded anyone would even try and defend the Catholic faith at this point.
 
aln said:
Sir, I don't think you have even the slightest inclination of my mentality.

By the way you're not trying to suggest I'm a protestant, are you? You can get banned for insults you know.

I'll get back to you in a bit, gonna go insult my Catholic mother and Protestant father for a while whilst I have lunch. You know, people who can take a joke more than the guy who allegedly has no affiliation.
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Jokes about child abuse? Hilarious right?
 
hurfdurf said:
It is hilariously bad that people still look up to the Church despite all of it, jokes about the actual rape of children is a whole other matter and perpetuates rape culture.
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This.

If I were a member of such a ridiculous cult I'd be ashamed.

If I were a member of such a ridiculous cult which was exposed time and time again for both abuse and covering up abuse from the top down, I'd find it impossible to remain a member of that cult.

Therefore are we to assume that all Catholics are just stupid or pro sexual abuse of young boys?
 
dowie said:
They're not all paedophiles - there are just a disproportionate number of paedophiles that chose to become priests... The Church (notably the last pope) did however deliberately set out to cover up paedophilia and actually hide/protect known paedophiles...

They've also likely got a disproportionate number of gay people serving as priests...

Chuck in the impact of their policy on contraception and the effect on AIDS related deaths in Africa its actually quite a destructive organisation. People get upset at George W Bush over Iraq - he's got nothing on the past few Popes and the negative impact they've had on the world.
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Is there any actual evidence to suggest that people actively have non-protected sex because they are told condoms are bad, but still have sex before marriage, outside of marriage and have adulterous relationships even though they are told these are naughty also? They do one just beacuse they fancy it but the other because they are told.
I know we are told the policy is terrible and causing deaths, but actually its sex with multiple partners that spreads the virus. The church actually teaches us not to do this, whether we obey or not is our choice, both for the condoms, and for the sex in the first place.

I'd like to see change on the stance and the matter anyway.

As for their rulings on abortion, I think thats fine, its up to people to make up their own mind. You will find most of the Christian churches think likewise. Its then a civil law matter if you can then have one or not. The Catholic church isn't violently prolife as some US groups are reported to be and demonstrate.

I think they should revoke the marriage of priests ruling tbh, might see that in my lifetime, who knows.

As for homosexuality, it shouldn't matter if a priest is or isn't as currently they are meant to be celebate. See above.
 
Oh great, he's starting with the rape apologist crap again. Will be interesting to see how many times hurfderp can get that word into this thread, I think the Saville one was a record he could never quite beat again.
 
hurfdurf said:
Good posts. Astounded anyone would even try and defend the Catholic faith at this point.
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The Faith, the Church, and those who deliver it are separate.
One can believe or have faith in the teachings of the church, despite the acts of some of those who were meant to be preaching it.

How many of he paedos were homosexual also?
It doesn't make homosexuals all paedophiles, it doesn't mean one can't defend a homosexual due to the actions of various paedophiles.
So one can have a faith and defend it, while not thinking much if anything of the higher ups within the organisation.

One could be a true communist, with communist beliefs but wan nothing to do with the old communist parties of Russia, CCCP.

It isn't the same thing.
 
Cuchulain said:
Jokes about child abuse? Hilarious right?
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Sometimes they are. More importantly they're a happy reminder which is a useful tool in fighting against the mass indoctrination by an organisation that is simply not worthy of our adoration. Can't be that though because I'm a simpleton, right? :rolleyes:

It's interesting that I'm actually saying stuff and all you can contribute are insults. Well your posts are getting smaller, at least you're doing something right.

Hikari Kisugi said:
One can believe or have faith in the teachings of the church, despite the acts of some of those who were meant to be preaching it.
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You'd have a point if the Vatican itself weren't involved in cover ups. It's a fairly wide spread issue and while it would be unfair to seriously brand every single priest as a pedo, you wouldn't keep an apple if it was only half rotten to the core. Or maybe you would, I don't know.
 
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I grew up as a catholic until I was 10 years old. This is when I witnessed my dad throw a priest out our house for asking for money to read the last rights to my mum, at that point I stopped being a catholic and so did my dad.

I do however have many family members who are very religious and I think it’s a horrible organization that has been accountable for so many horrible things throughout the years. Hiding Nazi’s after WWII, protecting priests who have abused children, telling people to stop giving money to amnesty international because they believe in abortion for rape victims.

How in this day and age an organization so evil can still exist on the premise of being exactly the opposite of that and actually protecting people from evil. It’s beyond me how people can support them with the things they have done and continue to do.

I understand that there are catholic charities that do help out in different parts of the world as people have pointed out in this thread however, think of the money that’s wasted by the church on memorials, statues, churches and so on that could be helping people even further. I come from a pretty poor area that has a massive church, I wonder how much it cost to build at the time when the people living in the surrounding areas had to live through almost poverty (by UK standards).

Even if you look back in the history of people being Pope it’s corrupt, they had the same pope three different times and one of the times he sold his role only to come back once that pope had been executed. It’s a horrible organization and I wish they got the same sort of TV coverage as scientology gets.
 
majnu said:
So they can't be married? No wonder they stray or start fiddling with kids. That's like asking a lion to be a vegetation.
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Its more likely that people with those urges chose the priesthood as a result of those urges rather than the priesthood 'turned' them into gays/paedophiles.

If you were a devout catholic, realised you were attracted to men rather than woman you might not be interested in marrying and living a lie etc... you're probably not going to be going out to gay clubs etc..(you're from a 'good' catholic family) the idea of going to a seminary with a bunch of other young men and ending up in a career where no-one is going to question your decision not to marry would seem like a good option.... And then you get there and realise there are a few other soon-to-be priests who have similar urges....

http://www.scu.edu/cas/psychology/faculty/upload/Plante-homosexual-clergy-paper.pdf

The Catholic church is probably one of the biggest employers of gay men in the world.
 
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Neutralmilk said:
I grew up as a catholic until I was 10 years old. This is when I witnessed my dad throw a priest out our house for asking for money to read the last rights to my mum, at that point I stopped being a catholic and so did my dad.
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I hope you reported the priest to the diocese, because charging for last rites (or any sacrament) is absolutely not permitted, he cannot even take a gift, he can only accept a donation to the Parish which must be accounted for, he is required to refuse any gift or donation to himself personally and he certainly should not be asking for anything. "There should be no cost for spiritual goods" is how I think the Magisterium word it.
 
I'm rather unknowledgeable on something here. The Pope represents the Catholic Church. But what about the non Catholic Christian religions like Baptists, Protestants, Anglicans, why would they recognise/acknowledge the Pope, since Catholicism has different doctrines from their own beliefs?
 
Merlin5 said:
I'm rather unknowledgeable on something here. The Pope represents the Catholic Church. But what about the non Catholic Christian religions like Baptists, Protestants, Anglicans, why would they recognise/acknowledge the Pope, since Catholicism has different doctrines from their own beliefs?
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They don't recognise him as the boss but will (mostly) show a certain amount of respect towards him due to his position, even if they don't think he is divinely inspired.
 
Merlin5 said:
I'm rather unknowledgeable on something here. The Pope represents the Catholic Church. But what about the non Catholic Christian religions like Baptists, Protestants, Anglicans, why would they recognise/acknowledge the Pope, since Catholicism has different doctrines from their own beliefs?
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This may help you understand a particular aspect of non-catholic churches. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_solas

I, as a Baptist am strictly Sola scriptura.

If you wanted to understand it you can also research the Great Schism and the Protestant reformation.

RDM said:
They don't recognise him as the boss but will (mostly) show a certain amount of respect towards him due to his position, even if they don't think he is divinely inspired.
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Correct.
 
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