The FA CUP Semi-Finals 13/14 April *** Spoilers ***
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As I said yesterday I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens.
The ref dealt with it on the pitch. End of.
The FA either make a rule where what the ref says is final or that they investigate every incident and can hand out punishments retrospectively and the ref has no say. They can't just pick and choose.
The ref dealt with it on the pitch. End of.
The FA either make a rule where what the ref says is final or that they investigate every incident and can hand out punishments retrospectively and the ref has no say. They can't just pick and choose.
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He actually didn't though, the foul was for knocking Luiz over(even though it was Luiz that did it and was a foul on Aguero), the foul wasn't given for the stamp, which is why the FA should be able to look at it, its complete BS they are shying away from it.
Barton against City got the foul given against him then got punished again for his reaction then again for his other thing, just because Aguero's reaction was instant doesn't make it the "same" action, FA as usual picking and choosing to punish whatever the hell they want.
You just know it's going to be the old 'ref saw it and didn't deem there was anything wrong it' line
Yep pretty much, makes me laugh the FA...a bunch of old bumbling muppets who cant get any consistency in their rulings and punishments :/
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*puts on tin foil hat*
I bet you're find the FA board members all have luxurious pent house suites in Dubai...
I bet you're find the FA board members all have luxurious pent house suites in Dubai...
Pfft they probably do as they are paid a lot of money for essentially not doing anything of much note.
The Football Association said the 24-year-old Argentina striker will not be charged retrospectively for the two-footed tackle in City's 2-1 victory.
It follows confirmation referee Chris Foy saw at least part of the incident and acted on it during the match.
It says there that he did so?
If it was mentioned in his report that he saw it then the FA can't do anything I believe?
What has this got to do with anything?
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The FA. What a joke.
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So no Biz that doesn't for one minute say Foy saw the stamp/lunge at all, what it does say though is because Foy gave a free kick for the initial incident then the FA are now powerless to do anything further which AFAICR is once again them making things up as they go along. I thought they were only powerless to act retrospectively if the ref says he saw the red card offence and deemed it not worthy of one, now it seems it doesn't matter if the ref see's the red card offence or not if he acts on any part of an incident whatsoever then that's enough for the FA to wipe their hands of it
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The Fa have also said, over the newcastle/wigan incident that they CAN choose to punish people even if the ref saw it, they just save if for exceptional circumstances, they said they didn't believe the Newcastle/Wigan one was exceptional, which in fairness, is probably accurate as there are pretty woeful tackles like that pretty frequently. They specifically mention that elbow on Mendes, and the Barton cases which were punished because of the severity of the situation and being exceptional.
There is simply no way in hell that Aguero stamp doesn't count as exceptional, Southgate said he hadn't seen anything that bad since Keane's tackle on him donkeys years ago.... its far worse than what Barton did to Aguero/Tevez last year, its the one of the most vicious attacks I've seen in football in years(outside of south american games, where randomly all turning on the other team/ref seems to be something that happens once/twice a year
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The FA have said they can choose to do whatever they want in exceptional circumstances.... they can choose what counts as exceptional on a case by case basis, and basically do exactly what they want at any time, its a joke.
There is simply no way in hell that Aguero stamp doesn't count as exceptional, Southgate said he hadn't seen anything that bad since Keane's tackle on him donkeys years ago.... its far worse than what Barton did to Aguero/Tevez last year, its the one of the most vicious attacks I've seen in football in years(outside of south american games, where randomly all turning on the other team/ref seems to be something that happens once/twice a year
). The FA have said they can choose to do whatever they want in exceptional circumstances.... they can choose what counts as exceptional on a case by case basis, and basically do exactly what they want at any time, its a joke.
I guess it is because that I am a City fan that I am not seeing in the same light that others are, comments like "I think back to Cantona assaulting the fan and getting 9 month ban. What's the difference here?"
I find it incredible really.
I can't even count the amount of tackles/challenges/attacks that I would say are worse than what Aguero did. Most of them not too long ago.
I find it incredible really.
I can't even count the amount of tackles/challenges/attacks that I would say are worse than what Aguero did. Most of them not too long ago.
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He drop kicked a player on the ground in an attempt to cause harm.
It's no different to Kung fu kicking a supporter to cause harm.
Supporter, or player, no difference, it's assault, it's a thuggish act, and it's pretty damn disgusting.
But hell, lets look past it because the ball was technically in play and referees are human beings who can make mistakes on decisions.
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Name an attack that is worse, just one.
It was NOT a tackle, in any sense, he saw red and just attacked another player, name someone who has done a two footed stamp on another player that was completely on purpose with no intention or thought of the ball at all. I can't think of many/any, Suarez with his one foot on the guys back wasn't great, at all, but he didn't jump and stamp both feet down.
The last "attack" I can think of was Barton's stupid punches.
You need to realise the difference between a tackle that is completely mistimed or over aggressive and ignore the ball two guys, one just decides to jump and stamp on the other one.
That is why someone mentioned the Cantona thing, very few times in the past decade has someone full on assaulted someone on the pitch, Barton's relatively tame but utterly unacceptable kick on Aguero(I think, fouled Tevez then kicked Aguero after being carded?) is the last one, before that, Pederson punch, or maybe Rooney's completely unwarranted elbow, even that, while very nasty, wasn't a patch on jumping up then stamping down on a player.
Kill someone intentionally and go to jail for life, kill someone in self defence, walk away free, rightly....... intent is everything in life. Mcmanaman almost everyone believes didn't intend to smash into Hadaira(he may well of done but we'll never know), all you can tell from the tackle is it was insane, massively over aggressive and dangerous as hell, when he went in his intent was the ball, when Aguero jumped his intent was harm of Luiz, NOTHING else, and that is why its an assault, not a tackle and one of the worst seen on the pitch in recent times.
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There's one massive difference between what Aguero did and other challenges, some that might even have been more dangerous and that's the intent.
There's nothing in the laws regarding intent however imo and I'd imagine most people would agree, if a player goes into a challenge with the intention of injuring another player, he should receive a greater ban than somebody that's made a rash challenge.
The challenge from McManaman on the Newcastle player the other week was probably a lot more dangerous than Aguero's but I have far less of a problem with his challenge than I do Aguero's. McManaman was going for the ball, Aguero was just trying to hurt Luiz.
Surely that is consistency, if an official see's it they take no further action??
That's the ruling I'd like to see changed, then they can punish for things like this and Rooneys thrown elbows.
Well if you're going to be like that since dm didn't mention it that wasn't in the last decade.
I don't see what you're trying to do Biz, it was absolutely horrendous by Aguero and there aren't really many worse you'll see throughout a year of football.
Essien's last year on Carroll was similar, in no way did it look like he went for the ball, but Essien has a record of being a **** unlike Aguero to be fair.
I don't see what you're trying to do Biz, it was absolutely horrendous by Aguero and there aren't really many worse you'll see throughout a year of football.
Essien's last year on Carroll was similar, in no way did it look like he went for the ball, but Essien has a record of being a **** unlike Aguero to be fair.
He said name an attack, I personally feel that is worse.
Can I think of one this season. No.
That was just the immediate one that popped into my head.
I am not trying to to anything, I never condoned what Aguero did but I just feel and have said that I don't think it was as bad as what people are making it out to be.
Can I think of one this season. No.
That was just the immediate one that popped into my head.
I am not trying to to anything, I never condoned what Aguero did but I just feel and have said that I don't think it was as bad as what people are making it out to be.
It was on purpose, Keane even said so and was given an extended ban for it. You said you couldn't count how many worse challenges than Aguero's you could remember and that most were not too long ago, yet you're only example is 12 years ago.