Back to AMD but might be going back?

[FatRakoon]

My FX setup is lightning fast .. It boots is seconds and runs everything faster than my current i5 and last AMD ....

Are you sure everything is setup correctly ?? The windows errors are not right and the slow mapping is not right either .... That needs looking at.

I'm assuming it's a normal windows 7 install ?? ( legit copy ) and you have the motherboard drivers installed and updated ??

I also have to say windows 8 is very smooth ... Just give it a few hours of playing around as once you get to grips with it you'll be sorted

Maybe so. I have tried it with ClassicShell and start8 and they get the Win7 GUI back, but I cannot get the Areo junk back... Not really pushed it to try that much however, so I may experiment again.

Can't say I've had any problems with my 8350. It flew through the 100 odd updates.

I did have trouble with my first install of Windows 7 on the CPU but I put it down to one of those things and not cpu related and reinstalled and could not fault it since.

I have had to reinstall 4 times and I am still not happy.

Basically, you havent set up your PC correctly and now trying to do the typical AMD sucks at everything compared to Intel statement. Heard it before, boring now.

/Thread. Go fix your pc.

I would say thats an incorrect statement, I have built far too many PCs to not know what I am doing, however, the idea is starting to dig in because I am currently wheelchair bound, and have use of one hand, plus, by the time I had finally managed to get all the bits from one PC to another and then the spare bits on the shelf, it was closing on 4am, so...

I'm not sure this is an AMD rant, especially given he's just said that a 3930k is only 5-10% faster than an FX83XX lol.

I also said that I have not benchmarked it, and I also said that for my uses, it was... and it is. I am also not specifically stating that, because this is ONLY happening as of the last couple of days. When I used the setup in Linux, it was sweet as a nut.

Why do you have 24GB of RAM in an x79 motherboard. 2x8 and 2x4? Does that still run in quad channel? Or is that then dual channel.

Not 24 no. 32. 4x8GB GSKILL Reaper.

And did you really call your daughter a "spoilt cow"? #classy.

Im joking. I love her to bits, but she has my best cast offs, when all she does is play Midnight beast videos on youtube!!! LOL

Sounds more like motherboard issue to me. TBF a 'cheap' 790 chipset may be the problem with slow router throughput. It is very unlikely that it would be the FX8350 itself.

Agreed. I love the HEX core, and thats not been anything like this, although I think the router issue, and I must point out that its NOT the router at all... Its only that this thing will ONLY access the router at 10MB through its gigabit port... I have chucked a 300N USB jobbie into it and its fine and connect at 300 just spanky, and none of the other PCs have this issue either. The router is good.
So, Im thinking that its simply a cruddy Mobo and maybe I had this issue under Linux, I just never realised ( When under linux, it talked to the switch not the router directly ) so I never saw the orange light on the router and never thought any different.

strip it and rebuild it, this time do it right

I think I will have to. I am rather hoping that its not needed as its not an easy task for me anymore.
But it may have to be?

So, you replaced a 6 core 12 thread CPU with a 4 module 8 thread CPU that has much lower IPC and is barely clocked higher, and it doesn't seem as good in overall use? :O

Not quite no.
The AMD6 is in one Mobo, the AMD8 is in another.
I have never once had the chance to put them head to head, but in saying that, I also have an AMD4 @ 3.2 and its about on par with the [email protected] - again, I have NOT run any benchmarks, but I have done basic tasks like convert an AVI to DVD etc and they do it about the same speed give or take a few % and I dont really care too much about that these days.

yeah it does sound like a motherboard issue, my amd needs a new motherboard as i cheaped out and didnt do my research to find out that my motherboard doesnt support an 8350 what is the make and model of your mobo?

LOL thats what I did, I am NOT going to lie.

I got the AMD8 and hoped it would replace the AMD6. That board is an Asus M4A79XTD EVO. But alas, after seeing a black screen, my worries were verified.
I then bought this Gigabyte 970A DS3 as that DOES support the FX range. I was very happy with it, and so thats why I decided to swap my I7 for the AMD8 as my main PC, but now the AMD8 is slow as heck.
No, let me also add, that the Windows results are great, the slowest component is my GFX card at 7.3 and the HD is at 7.4 and CPU at 7.5 so its scoring nice enough?

The 8350 is an ok CPU but lets get real here, it's like comparing Usain Bolt to John Goodman.

Sounds like the op derped somewhere with his setup, or has a dodgy install of windows or even has dodgy parts and blames AMD for his ignorance towards the fact that it is most likely a user error.

LOL. I am worried because I am starting to think its me too, but I think I have enough XP to know what I am doing. I am also ranting a bit I will freely admit, but in a kind of pleading call for help kind of way.

It sounds like a dodgy HDD tbh!

Check for bad sectors!

What motherboard does the OP have?

Not bad sector issue. HD is a Kingston 120GB SDD, Mobo is a Gigabyte 790A-DS3. BIOS was at FB and I am just uppign it to FD as I type.

Also, if you have and older than 9xx series Mobo, it is very likely you will have to update the BIOS to make it play well with the chip!

Done.

 

[OliverDavis]

Maybe so. I have tried it with ClassicShell and start8 and they get the Win7 GUI back, but I cannot get the Areo junk back... Not really pushed it to try that much however, so I may experiment again.




I have had to reinstall 4 times and I am still not happy.



I would say thats an incorrect statement, I have built far too many PCs to not know what I am doing, however, the idea is starting to dig in because I am currently wheelchair bound, and have use of one hand, plus, by the time I had finally managed to get all the bits from one PC to another and then the spare bits on the shelf, it was closing on 4am, so...



I also said that I have not benchmarked it, and I also said that for my uses, it was... and it is. I am also not specifically stating that, because this is ONLY happening as of the last couple of days. When I used the setup in Linux, it was sweet as a nut.



Not 24 no. 32. 4x8GB GSKILL Reaper.



Im joking. I love her to bits, but she has my best cast offs, when all she does is play Midnight beast videos on youtube!!! LOL




Agreed. I love the HEX core, and thats not been anything like this, although I think the router issue, and I must point out that its NOT the router at all... Its only that this thing will ONLY access the router at 10MB through its gigabit port... I have chucked a 300N USB jobbie into it and its fine and connect at 300 just spanky, and none of the other PCs have this issue either. The router is good.
So, Im thinking that its simply a cruddy Mobo and maybe I had this issue under Linux, I just never realised ( When under linux, it talked to the switch not the router directly ) so I never saw the orange light on the router and never thought any different.



I think I will have to. I am rather hoping that its not needed as its not an easy task for me anymore.
But it may have to be?



Not quite no.
The AMD6 is in one Mobo, the AMD8 is in another.
I have never once had the chance to put them head to head, but in saying that, I also have an AMD4 @ 3.2 and its about on par with the [email protected] - again, I have NOT run any benchmarks, but I have done basic tasks like convert an AVI to DVD etc and they do it about the same speed give or take a few % and I dont really care too much about that these days.



LOL thats what I did, I am NOT going to lie.

I got the AMD8 and hoped it would replace the AMD6. That board is an Asus M4A79XTD EVO. But alas, after seeing a black screen, my worries were verified.
I then bought this Gigabyte 970A DS3 as that DOES support the FX range. I was very happy with it, and so thats why I decided to swap my I7 for the AMD8 as my main PC, but now the AMD8 is slow as heck.
No, let me also add, that the Windows results are great, the slowest component is my GFX card at 7.3 and the HD is at 7.4 and CPU at 7.5 so its scoring nice enough?



LOL. I am worried because I am starting to think its me too, but I think I have enough XP to know what I am doing. I am also ranting a bit I will freely admit, but in a kind of pleading call for help kind of way.



Not bad sector issue. HD is a Kingston 120GB SDD, Mobo is a Gigabyte 790A-DS3. BIOS was at FB and I am just uppign it to FD as I type.



Done.

Well there's your problem, that Mobo does not officially support the FX-8350, or as it seems on their website, any FX CPU!!

 

[FatRakoon]

Well there's your problem, that Mobo does not officially support the FX-8350, or as it seems on their website, any FX CPU!!

I see the opposite so I have to disagree.

 

[OliverDavis]

I see the opposite so I have to disagree.

By any chance did you typo?

You said 790a, so a quick search leads to this http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3258#ov which does not support your CPU.

Where as this http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4122#ov does.

 

[ukxenon]

amd vs intel argument again...

buy what you want
buy what you can afford
wait a few years and do it all over again

 

[OliverDavis]

And even then the 8350 is not on the official support list... Though in theory it would work, just they may not have included it as its a monster for power and may hit stability problems.

 

[Boomstick777]

I do have a copy of Windows 8

I have to be honest but Id rather rub my tackle in honey and hump a bees nest to be honest.

Shame, Windows 8 is a beast, more secure, boots about twice as fast as Windows 7. Uses less resources than 7. Better support for AMD newer CPU's. If you're worried a bout a start button just download classic start menu..

 

[OliverDavis]

amd vs intel argument again...

buy what you want
buy what you can afford
wait a few years and do it all over again

Well it kind of isn't, he is saying he is having problems with the AMD rig, where as most of the topics are on the basis of, 'Pay an extra 75% for 10% average performance increase!!!!!!111!'.

 

[PCZ]

If you have the 970 DS3 not a 790, thinking typo.
Then yes it will support the 8350.

However with only a 4 pin 12v CPU power socket and no heatsinks on the VRM's it wont end well.
Your not thinking of running DC programs on it are you ?

 

[FatRakoon]

By any chance did you typo?

You said 790a, so a quick search leads to this http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3258#ov which does not support your CPU.

Where as this http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4122#ov does.

Sorry yes, I did indeed do that..My Mobo is Rev 3.0 though.
Thanks for pointing it out.

amd vs intel argument again...

buy what you want
buy what you can afford
wait a few years and do it all over again

I do
I did
I always do

And even then the 8350 is not on the official support list... Though in theory it would work, just they may not have included it as its a monster for power and may hit stability problems.

OK

Shame, Windows 8 is a beast, more secure, boots about twice as fast as Windows 7. Uses less resources than 7. Better support for AMD newer CPU's. If you're worried a bout a start button just download classic start menu..

Already said that. Its a given for me.
But themes are something that I have never been able to sort out.
Again, I have not given it a good enough chance as I have simply killed it off and gone back before I have needed to activate it.

As I said earlier on, I will give it another shot on a lappy and see if I can sort out themes properly.

If you have the 970 DS3 not a 790, thinking typo.
Then yes it will support the 8350.

However with only a 4 pin 12v CPU power socket and no heatsinks on the VRM's it wont end well.
Your not thinking of running DC programs on it are you ?

I did notice the 4pin and so sure, I can accept some limits but surely not enough to have the hiccups that I have had thus far?

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[FatRakoon]

I have upped the BIOS anyway to FD

I have been tonking about in the BIOS to see if I can see anything, well... Anything actually, and I have had a tinker and tweak and the LAN is now talking at 1000 ( Wohoo ) so was that a setting or the BIOS? I may play later but Im just glad its sorted for now.

I run the windows test and the CPU is still at 7.5 but the HD & FGFX are now at 7.1 so thats a bugger, but again, no worries.

It certainly booted a fair bit quicker.

With the Intel setup, it booted up in something like 15 seconds and now its booting up at just over a minute, now its much less and so I will time it next reboot, but its certainly a lot more than 15 still.

Cheers for everything guys... I ppreciate any kind of support or criticism.

 

[OliverDavis]

Sorry yes, I did indeed do that..My Mobo is Rev 3.0 though.
Thanks for pointing it out.




I do
I did
I always do



OK



Already said that. Its a given for me.
But themes are something that I have never been able to sort out.
Again, I have not given it a good enough chance as I have simply killed it off and gone back before I have needed to activate it.

As I said earlier on, I will give it another shot on a lappy and see if I can sort out themes properly.



I did notice the 4pin and so sure, I can accept some limits but surely not enough to have the hiccups that I have had thus far?

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After some searching on the webs, most people with only 4pin power are having stability problems with the FX8350. But surely it would also effect the 8150, so that shouldnt be on the list either?

Any way, I would recommend an 8 pin board with a decent power phase (8+2 or 12+2) and heatsinks on the VRMs.

What kind of cooler are you running? Do you get much airflow over the VRMs?

 

[OliverDavis]

I have upped the BIOS anyway to FD

I have been tonking about in the BIOS to see if I can see anything, well... Anything actually, and I have had a tinker and tweak and the LAN is now talking at 1000 ( Wohoo ) so was that a setting or the BIOS? I may play later but Im just glad its sorted for now.

I run the windows test and the CPU is still at 7.5 but the HD & FGFX are now at 7.1 so thats a bugger, but again, no worries.

It certainly booted a fair bit quicker.

With the Intel setup, it booted up in something like 15 seconds and now its booting up at just over a minute, now its much less and so I will time it next reboot, but its certainly a lot more than 15 still.

Cheers for everything guys... I ppreciate any kind of support or criticism.

Well dont worry about the WEI score. Try running common benchmarks and see how it compares to intel and even people with similar hardware. You will then be able to see how it is performing

 

[medseven]

The thing is, that as of yesterday, my sons are all on Intel I3, and my daughter an I7 ( the spoilt cow) ...

The thign is, that its a load of rubbish.

Ah... Its probably teething, and its a complex and fantastic looking BIOS and its possible that Im missing something but if this does get right in say a week, then Im going back to the Intel. At least thats NEVER given me a single hiccup since day 1

Happy days! Nice story. I hope your daughter is doing well, things at home are great I hope!

 

[Phixsator]

I do have a copy of Windows 8

I have to be honest but Id rather rub my tackle in honey and hump a bees nest to be honest.

Thats why its in the box on the shelf being ignored like the tory government ignores disabled people.

Maybe thats why the Mobo was so cheap perhaps?

I had no issues with Win 7 or Win 8 using my current FX-8350. Sounds like dodgy/broken hardware. Regarding your issues with Win 8 I think you should, well let me put this gently, wake up and give it a try , I say this with a soft smile. I myself went from Win 7 to Win 8 and it took me a little while to get use to but everything is as good or I feel better.

Feels a lot more smooth and I have no issues with any program or game ive thrown at it( and that's a lot). I don't use the Metro screen and I have it set to auto login. I only have to see the Metro thing once every reboot. I don't need my start button cause I have everything I need on my taskbar, set upped in a more stylize manner with what win8 allows me to without 3rd party apps. You should consider it, not to mention you don't have to deal with the 1 billion updates for win 7 every time you format

 

[FatRakoon]

I have thrown W8 onto my Laptop.

I bought Start8 but then didnt like it and so Im sticking with ClassicShell ( Proof that paying doesnt mean its any better )

I have done the Aero junk, or at least I have enables themes, and I am using WinAeroGlass. Thats been a complete whore actually, because I found just over 20 things that I had to remove from the Programs list after it put on all the junk, but at least, I ended up with a tiny stand alone app that I can stuff into the startup folder.

So, visually, its enough to fool me for now.

Little things like clicking on a media file still brings up the Win8 Apps stuff and I really wished that I could remove everything to do with metro, but again, this could all be resolved as I add more apps to cater for the file types.

The laptop I have chucked it onto, is my trusty Samsung R60 - a Pentium 1.7Ghz 2GBRAM job and its running it lovely.

The Win7 PC ( The AMD 8 that I am moaning like a girl about ) seems to have settled down a lot since the updates ( over 120 so far - wow! ) and the BIOS update ( now at FD ) plus, I have given it my XFX 850w PSU just in case, and also re-seated everything ( just in case again ) and it seems to be running well.

 

[hominid]

did you do the Core Parking updates? I don't think they automatically show up on windows update, you have to get them your self.

 

[Phixsator]

http://i42.tinypic.com/35anocw.jpg <--proves that you do not need a shell addon in Win8. I got access to everything you would in Win 7 from my taskbar. So no more crappy bloatware.

 

[humbug]

This is not Intel vs AMD crap, he said he has them both and likes them both.

@ FatRakoon, LAN compatibility is not the fault of the CPU, i would suggest you update the BIOS, though it may not fix it, your motherboard may support the Bulldozer FX CPU (41## / 42## / 61## / 62## / 81##) but not Piledriver (43## / 63## / 83##) or if it does then it may not be full compatibility, especially given that FX CPU's are designed to run on 8 pin 12v not 4.

Change the Motherboard for one that specifically states Piledriver compatibility, not just (supports) they could be meaning very different things.

Edit- here...

10 seconds, Thats with my old P-II x6 1090T on an SSD, i now have an i7 930 and while i haven't tested it i know its significantly slower, even the windows environment feels lazy.

 

[mmj_uk]

After some searching on the webs, most people with only 4pin power are having stability problems with the FX8350. But surely it would also effect the 8150, so that shouldnt be on the list either?

It might be down to AMD shipping out of spec FX8350's:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18505562

The FX8350 is very aggressively clocked at stock compared to the 3.6ghz FX8150 and it's the only 125W rated AMD CPU which seems to be having problems (either stability or manufacturer enforced throttling) in cheaper motherboards.

Cheap motherboards and FX8350 is a no no in my opinion, I'd recommend Asus Sabertooth at minimum.

OP should try setting his chip to FX8150/FX8320 speeds or thereabouts and see if his stability issues subside.