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SSN now reporting on City rumours that Mancini may be on his way out and Pellegrini coming in to take over. Will be interesting to see if these rumours are true, at the moment they are only rumours but wouldnt surprise me if City ditch Mancini...i never rated him as a good manager, winning the EPL title on goal difference on the last day and then this yr just handing it over to Utd with barely a whimper. Coupled with the fact that for the past 2 seasons, they have been utterly woeful in the CL.

I said it myself a yr or so ago, i dont think Mancini is a good enough manager for City to win more titles and the CL as well. Hes not terrible by any means but neither is he great, put Mourinho in charge of City and he would win them a few titles and possibly a CL title as well.
 
Moses said:
RE: the Champions League - it's hardly his fault they have a low European coefficient, so end up having to play in horrific groups... eg. this year having Real Madrid/Dortmund/Ajax :\. The year before it was Bayern/Napoli/Villarreal. Solid, solid groups. It's not as though he went out against Basel ;).
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Fact is with the squad he has at his disposal, thats not a good enough reason and i dont buy it regardless of their low european coefficient. City have some great players in their squad, they just have a manager who is tactically clueless.

If City get a decent manager who is tactically good then thats a scary proposition. Because with the squad they have right now at the moment, they should have ran away with the EPL title again this season and possibly be competing for the CL trophy, which in the past couple of seasons they havent.
 
Moses said:
This year losing out to a finalist and semifinalist (Real + Dortmund). Last year losing out to a finalist and a team who got knocked out by the winners (Bayern and Napoli). They didn't choke against rubbish teams. I don't see any shame in not progressing from the 'groups of death'.
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When you have spent billiontrillionmillion on X amount of plays, I would.
 
Moses said:
RE: the Champions League - it's hardly his fault they have a low European coefficient, so end up having to play in horrific groups... eg. this year having Real Madrid/Dortmund/Ajax :\. The year before it was Bayern/Napoli/Villarreal. Solid, solid groups. It's not as though he went out against Basel ;).
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Is that the same FC Basel that reached the semi's of the Europa, after losing their decent players?
 
Moses said:
This year losing out to a finalist and semifinalist (Real + Dortmund). Last year losing out to a finalist and a team who got knocked out by the winners, AET (Bayern and Napoli). They didn't choke against rubbish teams. I don't see any shame in not progressing from the 'groups of death'.
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You obviously dont get it do you??, doesnt matter if they lost to a finalist this yr and the yr before. Fact is with the squad they have, they should be getting further in the CL than the group stages. Compared to Arsenal who have lost their best players in the past 2 seasons, i could understand them going out at the group stage but they havent...they still manage to get to the QF's where they fail miserably but then they havent got players who are on £200k a week:o

G|mp said:
Don't stop him having a pop at United!
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Who me??, not having a pop at Utd at all or i dont mean to. Im just saying that Mancini isnt a good manager...got lucky winning the EPL title last season...nothing to be proud of when you win the title on goal difference on the very last day of the season:p.
 
Moses said:
Manyoo have spent billiontrillionmillion on players, but got knocked out by Basel :shrug: - that's failure. Losing out to teams which in a few years Citeh will only have to face in the knockout stages isn't so bad.
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So let me get this straight, in the last 3 years MU and City have spent lots, some more than others but hey.

City get knocked out by Ajax, Dortmund, Real, etc who went on to have relatively decent European competitions and there is no shame in that because, well they were knocked out by decent teams who went on to do well.

United get knocked out by Basel who went on to reach the semi finals of the Europa league the very next season after losing some of their best players but that's for shame, amirite?

What was the difference in spend again?
 
G|mp said:
Instead of reciting posts from Bluemoon and acting like it's your own opinion, give us what you really think of the situation?

If you really knew what you were talking about you would know that he is the exact opposite to a 'yes man' hence why he didn't last at Real Madrid and also a big reason why he is moving from Malaga, they have lied to him about a lot of things and he's had enough.

Pellegrini is a great manager, whether he can do it in England is another thing, put it this way, he is a hell of a lot more of a tactician than Mancini and would be a massive step up. It would also mean City playing attractive football which is a worry.
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Reciting posts?
That is my opinion, I have limited knowledge of him as a manager except he has won hardly anything and apart from a semi final with Villareal, quarter final with Malaga and a record points for 2nd position with Real a few years ago he has done nothing.
Saying "yes man" was probably the wrong words but what I mean is that Txiki may well think working with Pellegrini will be a lot easier than working with Mancini and this may suit him better as he aims to put his own stamp on the whole club. See his public "spats" with Marwood with regards to my belief that Txiki could think working with Pellegrini will be better.

Great? well I don't know enough about him to give an opinion outside of looking at his CV on paper compared with other managers which is what I am doing and it is pretty poor in comparison. I am not saying that this means he won't be a good manager because Moyes has just got the biggest job in football and he has won hardly nothing as well.

Would mean City playing attractive football? lol. This isn't 2010. We have had the best defence in the league for the past three years but we have also scored a hell of a lot of goals and whilst Mancini has problems tactically some matches and I don't think he has fully utilized the squad at his disposal I will be very disappointed if he is sacked and replaced by Pellegrini.
 
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Biz.Kid09 said:
Reciting posts?
That is my opinion, I have limited knowledge of him as a manager except he has won hardly anything and apart from a semi final with Villareal, quarter final with Malaga and a record points for 2nd position with Real a few years ago he has done nothing.
Saying "yes man" was probably the wrong words but what I mean is that Txiki may well think working with Pellegrini will be a lot easier than working with Mancini and this may suit him better as he aims to put his own stamp on the whole club.

Great? well I don't know enough about him to give an opinion outside of looking at his CV on paper compared with other managers which is what I am doing and it is pretty poor in comparison. I am not saying that this means he won't be a good manager because Moyes has just got the biggest job in football and he has won hardly nothing as well.

Would mean City playing attractive football? lol. This isn't 2010. We have had the best defence in the league for the past three years but we have also scored a hell of a lot of goals and whilst Mancini has problems tactically some matches and I don't think he has fully utilized the squad at his disposal I will be very disappointed if he is sacked and replaced by Pellegrini.
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Pelligrini if I remember rightly amassed the highest points total for Real Madrid in La Liga ever, 96 I think it was but they lost out to Barca which ultimately got him the sack.

He then took on a Malaga team with extreme financial grief and had to sell their star players and finished 4th.

Lets see if Mancini could do that.

Apologies, I forgot that City are well known for being a superior footballing team spoken in the same breath as Arsenal and Barca.
 
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Moses said:
Yeah, getting knocked out by a team who chokes in the Europa League is worse than getting knocked out by semifinalists/finalists of a real competition - I didn't think that was a particularly difficult concept to grasp, but perhaps it is.

The spend issue is a complicated one - eg. take into account the football inflation cost of Rooney's purchase, and it's a massive buy which compares with anything Citeh have done. It'd need a thread all of its own... but I'm happy to go there, if you want?
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Did you miss the part where I explained they sold their best players and then reached the semi's?

Did Tottenham with "the best player in the world" do any good in the Europa? As well as other better teams than Basel?

Lets go there, lets compare United buying Rooney 10 years ago to City buying Aguero, Toure, Tevez, Dzecko, Kompany, Robinho..................

You know as well as I do that United have spent lots, do they do it as a quick fix or spread over 10 seasons?
 
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Pelligrini if I remember rightly amassed the highest points total for Real Madrid in La Liga ever, 96 I think it was but they lost out to Barca which ultimately got him the sack.

He then took on a Malaga team with extreme financial grief and had to sell their star players and finished 4th.

Lets see if Mancini could do that.

Apologies, I forgot that City are well known for being a superior footballing team spoken in the same breath as Arsenal and Barca.
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So one of his main achievements is finishing 2nd? albeit with a high points total.

Well if you really knew what you were talking about you would know that Mancini has indeed done very good jobs at football clubs in not ideal situations;

In May 2002, Mancini was appointed manager of Lazio. He was again restricted by financial considerations, having to sell key players such as Hernán Crespo and Alessandro Nesta, and players were forced to take an 80 percent pay cut. In his first season with Lazio, however, the club reached the semi-finals of the UEFA Cup. In 2003–04, Lazio won the Coppa Italia.
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Fiorentina was plagued by financial problems and made occasional playing appearances himself. According to various sources, Mancini sometimes worked unpaid and even received death threats as key players such as Rui Costa and Francesco Toldo had to be sold. Despite this, Mancini managed to win the Coppa Italia before quitting in January 2002, after just 10 months in the job, with Fiorentina in the relegation zone of Serie A.
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Ok Fiorentina got relegated but still brought success to the team.


We are not well known for playing fantastic "superior" football but the facts prove your point is wrong.


Just a point about your final sentence above, we had to do it as a quick fix because had we not spent what we did and when we did it we would have achieved nothing now and wouldn't be able to because FFP limits teams such as ourselves who have a rich benefactor from spending a lot of money to challenge the best teams.
To put it into a stupid gimmick, we got into the castle before they raised the drawbridge. PSG have probably just sneaked in as well.

We won't see spending like there has been from say 2008-now ever again unless FFP is thrown out and every club goes back to how it was before.
 
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Moses said:
Rio > any of them. Rooney > any of them.

Rio and Rooney BOTH costing more than double what Robinho cost!

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/02/tpi-world-record-transfer-fees-and-lfc/

Kompany cost the same as Vidic. Both teams spent an awful lot on Tevez. Toure/Dzeko/Robhino/Aguero obviously cost a lot, but as did Anderson/Nani/Rooney/Rio/Young/Jones/Carrick/Hargreaves/Berbatov, et al.
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Give me some figures.

Saying we spent a lot on players is true but should we consider when all this happened?

Your are mentioning players we signed 10 years ago, my point being City spent pretty much double what we have in the last 3 seasons.
 
G|mp said:
What facts?

Are they spoken about in the same way as Arsenal and Barcelona? For playing expansive, attractive football?
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The facts we score a lot of goals and concede not that many.
We every game almost have the most possession and passing and have multiple players in chances created tables etc.

We play attacking football.

No we are not spoken about in the same way. I said that earlier. You didn't read my post?
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
The facts we score a lot of goals and concede not that many.
We every game almost have the most possession and passing and have multiple players in chances created tables etc.

We play attacking football.

No we are not spoken about in the same way. I said that earlier. You didn't read my post?
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So you're not thought of as a great footballing team then are you, Stoke didn't concede many one season, you on a par with them?

I try not to no.
 
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