Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Measuring academy success of the rich (and elite) clubs is often reduced to a question of how many players make it into the first team of the parent club, but this type of analysis is superficial.

Manchester United and Arsenal are often held up as some great and noble success promoting youth, but when you look a little closer they may be considered as no better or worse than the the 'rich' clubs as defined. Utd's approach was a brute force industrial process starting decades ago, they built an exceptional scouting network and took all the best UK talent they could find from an early age and ended up with a handful of exceptional players. No doubt they have an excellent academy system, but it's difficult to say it's totally superior to other clubs when you consider the scale and cherry picking of available talent. Arsenal did much the same, but with a wider scouting network extended into Europe. All the big clubs look to copy this model, only now the scouting networks are like some kind of nuclear arms race and the the clubs are vying for the best talent in Africa, Asia and the Americas as well.

You'd really need to find a detailed breakdown of the number of youth players entering each academy compared to the number leaving the academy as successful players in each division and league they end up in, as well as the ones that don't get a career in football. I strongly suspect that in any given year the best academies are not the ones at the biggest clubs, but those at some smaller well run clubs that are more efficient out of necessity.

Since Chelsea are the poster child for 'rich' clubs: the club has invested vast amounts in youth development in the last few years as they attempt to catch up and ultimately out gun their rivals, the results are actually an unprecedented number of players out on loan to 1st and 2nd division clubs across Europe. Is it a failure because few of those players will be in the Chelsea first team squad? Perhaps it's a great success, but probably the success rate is appropriately proportional to the money invested and the number of youth that entered the system.

'Big' clubs and money have always dominated, Fergie's Class of '92 was something special and it's unlikely to happen again. Compare to now: how many of Arsenal's and Utd's youth academy players coming through in the last 1-2 years would make it into the Chelsea first team squad? probably Jack Wilshere, but any others? I'm struggling, Utd have great players but no academy name is standing out.

For me, none of the mentioned clubs are particularly clever, insightful or morally superior, they're not doing a noble service to football or doing things the 'proper' way. It's just less conspicuous to spend vast sums on the youth system than headline transfers.
 
That would be a brilliant signing, too good to be true though I fear. :(

Rooney going the other way perhaps?

LOL im pretty sure if Barca wanted to sell Fabregas, we have first refusal as that was put in the T&C's of his sale a couple of yrs back. Cant see Fabregas wanting to play for Utd ever but football is a funny game so it *might* happen but i doubt it very much.
 
LOL im pretty sure if Barca wanted to sell Fabregas, we have first refusal as that was put in the T&C's of his sale a couple of yrs back. Cant see Fabregas wanting to play for Utd ever but football is a funny game so it *might* happen but i doubt it very much.

RVP might have been in his ear though, you don't know.
 
i needed a laugh

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LOL im pretty sure if Barca wanted to sell Fabregas, we have first refusal as that was put in the T&C's of his sale a couple of yrs back. Cant see Fabregas wanting to play for Utd ever but football is a funny game so it *might* happen but i doubt it very much.

You'd think so, but perhaps he thinks he's better than Arsenal now, I mean, they don't really win anything and haven't for some time. Is he good mates with RvP? I think he is.

I wouldn't be upset to see Arsenal strengthen a lot over the summer though, a more competitive league is always a good thing. A few young French players isn't going to cut the mustard though, your transfer record will need breaking.
 
RVP might have been in his ear though, you don't know.

Who knows for certain but its the first ive heard of Fabregas wanting to move from Barca...one of the main reasons why we let him go back as hes Barca through and through.

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You'd think so, but perhaps he thinks he's better than Arsenal now, I mean, they don't really win anything and haven't for some time. Is he good mates with RvP? I think he is.

I wouldn't be upset to see Arsenal strengthen a lot over the summer though, a more competitive league is always a good thing. A few young French players isn't going to cut the mustard though, your transfer record will need breaking.

Well as far as i know, him and RVP were or are good mates and anyhow Fabregas is too busy trying to deflect the crap that hes getting at the moment, hes been caught banging some other guys missus or something:p.

Arsenal definitely need to strengthen this summer, especially moreso if we dont qualify for CL which could very well happen if we dont beat Wigan tomo. Rumours suggest we have up to £100mill to spend, whether or not we spend a fraction of that is something that remains to be seen. Without CL next season then i dont know who we will sign, not only that we have so many dead wood players in the squad, a few on loan that we need to get rid of them to make way for, hopefully better players.
 
LOL im pretty sure if Barca wanted to sell Fabregas, we have first refusal as that was put in the T&C's of his sale a couple of yrs back. .

I imagine you do too.

"Cesc we want to sell you, Arsenal and Man United are both interested, Arsenal have first refusal"

"Tell them no"

Job done :p
 
I can't see FIFA doing anything, but it's about time UEFA stepped up and banned these dodgy 3rd party deals, put some rules in place to dock serious amounts of points from clubs using them and automatic relegation for serial offenders. Maybe there could even be some kind of amnesty for players trapped by these deals as well, revoke their registartions and make them free agents, then ban any players signing up for similar deals once the rule is in place.
 
LOL im pretty sure if Barca wanted to sell Fabregas, we have first refusal as that was put in the T&C's of his sale a couple of yrs back. Cant see Fabregas wanting to play for Utd ever but football is a funny game so it *might* happen but i doubt it very much.

We would get first chance at a most likely particular price, but essentially the player has to agree, its not like Arsenal have a £40mil buy back clause and if they pay it Cesc has to rejoin Arsenal, its just they get to offer Cesc a deal first and he can choose to accept it or not, its basically a buy out clause for one particular club, nothing else.

While he wanted to go back to Barca, and the world media seem to love saying he's sucked there(he really hasn't by any definition unless you expected him to score 30 goals a year for no apparent reason).

Villa seemingly wants out and I can believe Fabregas might want out, for the same reason Ibra left.

Iniesta 4 goals 24 assists 55 games, Xavi 15 goals 12 assists 58 games, Fabregas 19 goals 19 assists 57 games. Two of those players are regarded as the worlds best, two of them are positively fawned over in every single game, two of those players have been at Barca forever, are completely at home in the team... and Fabregas has outscored/outassisted both of them(okay Iniesta has gotten a lot more assists this year out of nowhere, but he has 15 less goals and 5 more assists). Fabregas's position has been moved around constantly, wide left, deep midfield, semi striker, AMC.

He's also FAR more frequently substituted than the other two so has noticeably less playing time than either.

I think its unquestioned he's been better than the both of them, but for some reason is talked about like he's dirt since he joined them, I don't know if its because he dared to leave Barca, if its just because he's not Iniesta/Xavi, or for what reason.
 
Quite an eye opener, 40 million for Athletico to buy him from Porto, I assume the figures are Euro, so 60 million Euro for the next move, not a huge profit for anyone involved.

Not sure why you think there isn't much money involved, Porto paid very little and got 20million, Atletico will pay 16mil and likely get 16mil for him, plus a cup or two and a great player for two years, when Monaco buy him it will probably get the guys who "own" Falcao 40-50million Euro's, exactly how is 40-50mil euro's not much money.

I can't see FIFA doing anything, but it's about time UEFA stepped up and banned these dodgy 3rd party deals, put some rules in place to dock serious amounts of points from clubs using them and automatic relegation for serial offenders. Maybe there could even be some kind of amnesty for players trapped by these deals as well, revoke their registartions and make them free agents, then ban any players signing up for similar deals once the rule is in place.

Sorry but, explain exactly who has done what wrong, why it shouldn't be allowed to happen, and who is losing out?

Investment groups are taking a huge risk that Falcao will actually be good in the future, he might not, if he's not they've paid millions in wages, fee's, transfers, and all for a player that burns out and ends up leaving say Porto for free and they get nothing.

its a free market, thats how the world works, clubs take risk on players, why can't other people. Falcao CHOSE to sign up with them, he didn't have to, he might never have left south america if he didn't, he's been paid MILLIONS and is being treated so badly, after making 10+ mil a year, he might have to go and make 10+ mil a year while living in that hell hole that is Monaco.... poor sod, I hope he doesn't top himself.

Sorry I see entirely nothing wrong, Falcao could have gone it alone with a "normal" agent, he might have gotten nowhere, he might have followed the exact same path and he might chose to go to Monaco anyway because they'll offer the most cash, or he may have gone to Barcelona because thats his best chance of winning trophies and his favourite club, he might have gone to PSG or Dortmund because he wanted to be part of history and win the first Champions league those clubs had ever won... who knows. Thing is, he made his choice, and thats it, I can't see who has been hurt, who is getting screwed, I can see a group of investors making some cash instead of a club, so?
 
I've never seen the him play but the Dutch lad Strootman that's getting spoken about recently has today been described by his manager Dick Advocaat as the Dutch Gareth Barry.... DO NOT WANT!!!! :p
 
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