Next generation AMD cards to be launched at same time as BF4??

shankly1985 · 29 May 2013 at 17:15

I upgrading at the end of the year and in no rush to do so. So I fine with releasing close to BF4.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 17:18

humbug said:
What are you talking about?

I don't what it is. And what difference is it to you that I come around to your way of thinking?

20nm or 28nm it does not make a blind bit of difference to me as long as its a worthwhile improvement on the 7970.

Easy Tiger...

I had a debate with you about 20nm and 28nm and I was sure they were releasing on 28nm but you insisted that it was 20nm. I can dig it up if you like? I even agreed that I would like to see 20nm purely to buy one.

The difference to me about coming round to my way of thinking was a simple question...No need for the hostility. Will you be getting the 9970 then if it is a big improvement on the 7970?

Rusty0611 · 29 May 2013 at 17:20

humbug said:
What are you talking about?

I don't what it is. And what difference is it to you that I come around to your way of thinking?

20nm or 28nm it does not make a blind bit of difference to me as long as its a worthwhile improvement on the 7970.

Dat aggressiveness

LtMatt · 29 May 2013 at 17:20

Rusty0611 said:
Dat aggressiveness

Dat baiting

humbug · 29 May 2013 at 17:28

Rusty0611 said:
Dat aggressiveness

Not half as aggressive as Gregster is behaving around the forum right now, again.

Gregster said:
Easy Tiger...

I had a debate with you about 20nm and 28nm and I was sure they were releasing on 28nm but you insisted that it was 20nm. I can dig it up if you like? I even agreed that I would like to see 20nm purely to buy one.

The difference to me about coming round to my way of thinking was a simple question...No need for the hostility. Will you be getting the 9970 then if it is a big improvement on the 7970?

Volcanic Islands is listed on AMD's roadmap as 20nm, AMD said they would be available late 2013, I don't know if October is as late as they meant.

Who knows, if they can get 20nm out that early then great, if not then a good GCN 2.0 is also very welcome, AMD change their minds more than I change my socks, and Nvidia's GTX 780 move here may well have prompted them to change a few things.

Edit, I will probably be getting a 9870 if its significantly better than the one I have now, or perhaps I might move up into the #9## series. don't know yet.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 17:34

humbug said:
Not half as aggressive as Gregster is behaving around the forum right now, again.

Volcanic Islands is listed on AMD's roadmap as 20nm, AMD said they would be available late 2013, I don't know if October is as late as they meant.

Who knows, if they can get 20nm out that early then great, if not then a good GCN 2.0 is also very welcome, AMD change their minds more than I change my socks, and Nvidia's GTX 780 move here may well have prompted them to change a few things.

Aggressive? Please show me where I have been aggressive and I will apologise or you should have just reported the posts and let the mods decide.

I asked a simple question and you went off on one and then justify it by claiming I have been aggressive around the forums again. You and I have a different idea of aggression and maybe you are reading more into my posts than needed? but aggressive is a joke surely?

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:38

See this is where the confusion comes in.
Gibbo's said they've not laid back, their next GPU is ready.

Which doesn't compute, as it'd have to be 28nm for it to be ready, which would mean waiting to launch it is waiting around, as it only lessens the time to 20nm.

Or it's ready bar TMSC and they're waiting on them, which is still waiting around.

I don't see how it's possibly good for business when there isn't a choice to go AMD if you want better single GPU performance, as your only avenue is Nvidia.

Also, it's not really anything to do with changing minds, they can't radically change and release in months, it takes time.

TheRealDeal · 29 May 2013 at 17:40

Martini1991 said:
See this is where the confusion comes in.
Gibbo's said they've not laid back, their next GPU is ready.

Which doesn't compute, as it'd have to be 28nm for it to be ready, which would mean waiting to launch it is waiting around, as it only lessens the time to 20nm.

Or it's ready bar TMSC and they're waiting on them, which is still waiting around.

I don't see how it's possibly good for business when there isn't a choice to go AMD if you want better single GPU performance, as your only avenue is Nvidia.

Also, it's not really anything to do with changing minds, they can't radically change and release in months, it takes time.

The only better option's nvidia have cost £550 upwards. I doubt amd are losing to much not competing at this price point.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:43

TheRealDeal said:
The only better option's nvidia have cost £550 upwards. I doubt amd are losing to much not competing at this price point.

And people are buying them regardless of the price point.

I guess on the other hand it can be said it's making people buy another 7XXX GPU to Crossfire etc.

TheRealDeal · 29 May 2013 at 17:44

Martini1991 said:
And people are buying them regardless of the price point.

It's Nvidia though and they will probably sell not to bad. I doubt Amd would see the same kind of sales.

Indeed it may force people to sli/cf there cards because of the high price.

Rusty0611 · 29 May 2013 at 17:45

LtMatt said:
Dat baiting

Huh?

humbug · 29 May 2013 at 17:46

Martini1991 said:
See this is where the confusion comes in.
Gibbo's said they've not laid back, their next GPU is ready.

Which doesn't compute, as it'd have to be 28nm for it to be ready, which would mean waiting to launch it is waiting around, as it only lessens the time to 20nm.

Or it's ready bar TMSC and they're waiting on them, which is still waiting around.

I don't see how it's possibly good for business when there isn't a choice to go AMD if you want better single GPU performance, as your only avenue is Nvidia.

Also, it's not really anything to do with changing minds, they can't radically change and release in months, it takes time.

I agree that something right now to counter the GTX 780 would urinate on Nvidia's campfire.

But I also agree with what Gibbo is saying, AMD have held strong against Nvidia and a new GPU may not even be needed at this point given the price for performance ratio still sits very much with AMD, while even the GTX 780 is priced where not very many people at all can afford it or would want to spend that amount on it.

AMD may just sit and wait a bit to see if this dents them. if not then co-insiding with a big game launch, like BF4 is good marketing.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:46

TheRealDeal said:
It's Nvidia though and they will probably sell not to bad. I doubt Amd would see the same kind of sales.

They don't need to meet the price point, as it's a fairly ludicrous one, but the performance gain is meagre over the 18 month 7970, that performance should already be at a reasonable price point, otherwise it's stagnation.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 May 2013 at 17:48

Perhaps AMD is trying a wait and see approach,to see what the GTX770,GTX760TI and GTX760 look like first,before releasing their cards.

Nvidia did the same for the GTX600 series and it worked well for them.

Edit!!

AMD did the same for the HD4000 series and that worked well for them too.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 17:48

LtMatt said:
Dat baiting

Is that aimed at me?

LtMatt · 29 May 2013 at 17:50

Rusty0611 said:
Huh?

Gregster said:
Is that aimed at me?

It was aimed at Rusty Galloway.

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:51

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Perhaps AMD is trying a wait and see approach,to see what the GTX770,GTX760TI and GTX760 look like first,before releasing their cards.

Nvidia did the same for the GTX600 series and it worked well for them.

The first part I can understand, but then releasing in October is a little long of a wait.
Nvidia launched 6XX pretty soon after the 7950, about a month after.

For the 4XXX, AMD also had the single fastest card at 350 quid, and left Nvidia well out with the 4850.

Gregster · 29 May 2013 at 17:52

Now talking of next gen AMD cards.

Boomstick777 said:
Here they are saying that AMD's next will still be based on 28nm - http://translate.google.com/transla...-and-hello-volcanic-islands-05122013/&act=url.

Taking all of these leaks with pinch of salt..

Gregster said:
Good find.

I didn't think they were ready to jump to 20nm just yet but was hoping I was wrong.

Maybe the fact that TSMC are working on 20nm got everyone excited but I believe it is solely intended for Apple at the present time and AMD/Nvidia to follow?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/..._Is_Ahead_of_Its_Own_20nm_Roadmap_Report.html

humbug said:
I very much doubt it will be on 28nm, that would give it a 750mm^2 core.

They use the same slide and came to the same specifications conclusion, and then said blanketley its 28nm, not 20nm.

The slide does not indicate what the process is, but I think most sensible people would and have come to the conclusion that it must be 20nm, for 28nm would be impossible with those specs.

This is why I asked Humbug if he was coming to my way of thinking....

Martini1991 · 29 May 2013 at 17:55

The thing is, the 28nm spec is the same shader count as the leaked Sapphire card from 2012. And then the 256 bit stuff.

So basically, we have no idea what's going on, what's coming out, or when.

The only one with any information is Gibbo etc.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 May 2013 at 17:55

Martini1991 said:
The first part I can understand, but then releasing in October is a little long of a wait.
Nvidia launched 6XX pretty soon after the 7950, about a month after.

The HD7970 was launched in late December 2011 and the HD7950 in late January 2012:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7950/

The GTX680 launched in late March 2012:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/

So the GTX680 launched around 3 months after the HD7970.

Of course the HD7970GE held the single GPU crown for around 9 months until the Geforce Titan dethroned it.