Girl accuses stranger off Facebook of rape

The Geezer · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:15

AJK said:
They probably wouldn't, but that's irrelevant. They don't need that information. Everybody should and must be encouraged to come forward when a crime has been committed against them, regardless of whether they think their attacker is already being accused by someone else.

If the system is a "circus" then that's what needs changing. Solve the real problem. Victims should have all the support they need when going through such a traumatic process. But none of that is made any better by the accused having their life destroyed before the case is even properly considered, let alone comes to trial.

The problem with rape is the victims suffer in silence due to a number of contributing factors; "I brought it upon myself" (regardless if the victim did everything to protect themselves), they know the attacker, effect on family and friends, don't feel they will be listened to, having to relive the crime a number of times due to who needs to have the information to act upon it, how society will view / judge the victim now, will anyone believe the story

I completely agree that false accussers need to have a deterrent so they stop ruining lives - I see 2 types of false accussers; Mental health related problems and those who want to cover infidelities.

Aedus · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:18

Clear returnee. Maybe Lucybee? or w/e they were called.

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:20

Madamoiselle said:
Unfortunately being constantly jumped upon by every apologist and dudebro on everything I say that doesn't conform to the white cis straight male way of thinking means I keep things at arms length. My point has been made, the apologists wheeled in and did their apologist stuff and most people agreed with them.

You remind me an awful lot of banned former member "Lucy" B, who was a confused transsexual.

Yas786 said:
LOL for a female, i find your views disturbing to say the least, very disturbing.

Explains a lot if above member is LucyBee

GravyMonster · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:26

Craterloads said:
You remind me an awful lot of banned former member "Lucy" B, who was a confused transsexual.

No, it was a attention-whoring troll pretending to be a confused transsexual who appeared after a post in the previous confessions thread.

Wasn't it?

Craterloads · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:27

Spunkey said:
No, it was a attention-whoring troll pretending to be a confused transsexual.

Wasn't it?

Yea, forgot it turned out to be a troll

grumpysculler · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:42

The Geezer said:
Like I said I may not agree with it but the law is there to allow previous victims to come forward.

So you default to anonymity but permit the police or CPS to apply to a court lifting that anonymity if they can prove it is in the public interest to do so. Then both sides get what they want.

The Geezer · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:50

grumpysculler said:
So you default to anonymity but permit the police or CPS to apply to a court lifting that anonymity if they can prove it is in the public interest to do so. Then both sides get what they want.

That's an option not sure if it can work in reality. Assume we incorporate an anonymity clause into law, I see defence lawyers having a field day as they could accuse the Police, CPS and the Court of not following due process - they have proclaimed guilt by lifting the anonymity.

Freakbro · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:59

Craterloads said:
You remind me an awful lot of banned former member "Lucy" B, who was a confused transsexual.

Explains a lot if above member is LucyBee

My guess was Lucy_Bee too.

Resident · 27 Jun 2013 at 15:59

The Geezer said:
That's an option not sure if it can work in reality. Assume we incorporate an anonymity clause into law, I see defence lawyers having a field day as they could accuse the Police, CPS and the Court of not following due process - they have proclaimed guilt by lifting the anonymity.

Or worse still, leak the name of the client they're defending and then claim the source of the leak was the police in order to scupper the prosecution.
Anyone who says such wouldn't happen is either VERY naive or a defence lawyer.

JonnyT · 27 Jun 2013 at 16:04

Surely every case should be judged on its' own evidence and merit in isolation, regardless of if the client has got 'previous', otherwise you could end up with 'give a dog a bad name', where a guy such as this poor chap could be accused again because he's been accused before; the clever lawyer glossing over the fact that it was a completely false and spurious accusation.

Once someone has been convicted (and sentenced), by all means publicise this and then that would be the prompt for other victims to come forward.

The Geezer · 27 Jun 2013 at 16:12

Think about it this way. There are 2 guilty parties in this scenario, the false accuser and society itself.

'We' are equally to blame to judge the accused of a crime that is yet to be proven in court. 'We' are the ones who shun, whisper, ignore, spread the rumours, make life generally hard for the falsely accused.

How many of us would give the benefit of doubt until the jury rule ?

aln · 27 Jun 2013 at 16:43

The Geezer said:
Think about it this way. There are 2 guilty parties in this scenario, the false accuser and society itself.

'We' are equally to blame to judge the accused of a crime that is yet to be proven in court. 'We' are the ones who shun, whisper, ignore, spread the rumours, make life generally hard for the falsely accused.

How many of us would give the benefit of doubt until the jury rule ?

There is no "we" in that scenario, it's just a vocal minority but theres too much apathy to stamp it out.

The Geezer · 27 Jun 2013 at 16:57

aln said:
There is no "we" in that scenario, it's just a vocal minority but theres too much apathy to stamp it out.

That's my point, there are people here calling for law changes, hanging to be brought back etc (OK, that maybe too far but you get the picture).

Society needs to look at itself as well as those who make false accusations

Abraxaz1 · 27 Jun 2013 at 17:16

Do we really need to have people named in rape cases these days, especially with dna databases and sketch picture databases? All of which are national.
Gotta love the people claiming that its better to sacrifice the live of a few innocents because they may be guilty, under that logic we should bring back the death penalty, we may kill a few innocent people a year but the majority will be guilty. ..
This smacks of an out of date system that needs a major overall but I doubt it will happen.
Also the punishment is ridiculous and only goes to increase the level of contempt people hold for the crown prosecution service, she's basically got off with a slap on the wrist for ruining his life. I hope hes allowed to sue both her and the cps for slander etc, hopefully ruining the cows life

hurfdurf · 27 Jun 2013 at 17:34

Yas786 said:
LOL for a female, i find your views disturbing to say the least, very disturbing.

How you can come to an absurd assumption that majority of people here are rape apologists is truly beyond me.

So i now ask you, what this woman done to this innocent man...is that ok for you?? and is it ok for her to get community service rather than prison time??

I'm a massive feminist and think that this forum is full of rape culture and rape apologist, and I think its an absolute disgrace that this woman didn't get prison time, ideally the same kind of prison time the guys were looking at for her original false claims. She needs help, she is clearly mentally ill, maybe a psychopath of some sort.

hurfdurf · 27 Jun 2013 at 17:37

Madamoiselle said:
Whilst I agree that she should be given a looking over by the men in white suits, it's ironic that cases like this are a miniscule fraction of the rape culture/rape apologism society we live in which destroys the lives of countless more women per year than a few men falsely accused, yet people will rage at things like this and shrug their shoulders at the other.

This is a 100% accurate and correct post.

Tefal · 27 Jun 2013 at 17:40

hurfdurf said:
I'm a massive feminist and think that this forum is full of rape culture and rape apologist, and I think its an absolute disgrace that this woman didn't get prison time, ideally the same kind of prison time the guys were looking at for her original false claims. She needs help, she is clearly mentally ill, maybe a psychopath of some sort.

hang on you say she's mentally ill then say she should get prison time?

sorry mate it's one or the other.

doofer · 27 Jun 2013 at 17:42

There was a case a few years ago of a woman who did the same thing to a Doctor she became obsessed with, she even went as far as using semen from a used condom in his bin as 'false DNA' evidence against him! Scary.

Tom_ed1987 · 27 Jun 2013 at 18:10

If someone is accused of rape they should be entitled to total anonymity until they are formally charged. 'encouraging others to come forward' is not valid justification for the current situation imo, which can in a snap ruin a life/career.
Publishing the details of alleged rapists is not the way to tackle the problem of women unwilling to report rape.

estebanrey · 27 Jun 2013 at 18:17

Freakbro said:
Well, the article was in a national newspaper on Tuesday, has been famously quoted from a variety of judges during sentencing over the years plus from many many other sources...so yes, I think you will find it's a more common attitude than you might expect.

Why not use Hijab wearing Muslim women as an example? They nearly all justify wearing it because men are too weak to resist the site of female flesh. The whole ideology behind the hijab is that men and sex-mad, flesh and hair driven potential rapists.