Children not allowed squash in school !

Skywalker said:
I say your only allowed to drink things you don't like , If you get thirsty you have the only option of drinking my urine , How is that ?
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Well there are some obvious health implications there...

Skywalker said:
I will not force him to drink something he doesn't like as if you think I should you are saying I should bully him in my mind that is abuse , everyone and I mean kids especially have a freedom of choice .
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I disagree, I don't think kids should have full freedom of choice, primarily because they so often make bad choices as they are too young to know the full consequences. Encouraging a child to drink water really isn't abuse, it pretty much falls under "decent parenting". In my limited opinion anyway.
 
RDM said:
Well there are some obvious health implications there...



I disagree, I don't think kids should have full freedom of choice, primarily because they so often make bad choices as they are too young to know the full consequences. Encouraging a child to drink water really isn't abuse, it pretty much falls under "decent parenting". In my limited opinion anyway.
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So what's the health implications of 5% flavour in a glass of water ?

He very rarely makes bad choices this is the thing , He is so smart it is crazy . His last school he was on the school council and many more things . Since being at this school he has been bullied , beaten up and teased because of his size as he is such a well built lad and his intelligence . He doesn't fight back because he knows violence at school is not accepted .
 
Xordium said:
I defined it there at the bottom of the post you just quoted and qualified it with what would be and would not be a problem.



No, you would not include them. They are however very good for you and should be eaten!
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Ahh, i've just caught up with what you were saying. Bit of a derp on my part there.

Out of curiousity, why wouldn't you count fruits and vegetables? My learning was that they are a source of fluids. Is it simply that you can't quantify intake due to natural variation in fluid levels and the fact that for humans pure fruit/vegetable consumption without other fluids would result in a nasty case of the runs?
 
Skywalker said:
I will not force him to drink something he doesn't like as if you think I should you are saying I should bully him in my mind that is abuse , everyone and I mean kids especially have a freedom of choice .
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With the greatest of respect but I don't really agree with you.

No-one is saying you should force him. I don't think people are saying you need to stick a naso-gastric tube down his nose and pour boluses of water into him.

Part of being a parent (I've got 5 ages from 2 to 19) is installing some decent foundations for them to base their life on. This is done with compromise and explanation.

Now your lad does need fluid at lunchtime - for the reasons I have given (and you'll have to trust me that I know what I am on about here). So maybe a compromise all around is needed. If I were in your shoes I would do the follow:

1) breakfast - drink 500ml
2) lunch at school - squash 500ml
3) tea - drink 500ml
4) pre-bed - drink 250ml

Easy and will give him enough. Now for the hard part. Go to the school speak to the head. Say along this "At the moment he will only drink squash. However I agree he should really be drinking water. Therefore, I would like your permission to give him squash at lunchtime as this is something I can't battle at the moment due to my health. However, over the long-term I aim to reward his effort in switching to water to both comply with school policy and for his own benefit, etc etc".

The you need to find a suitable reward for him so he feels like he has achieved something every day he drinks his water at school when you start this part in say a month. I expect stickers won't cut it - maybe wait till the lego offer is on again in The Sun and give him the lego every day he drinks his water? That's what I'd do.
 
ahar said:
I find this one baffling. School says only water, give him water. When he gets thirsty enough he'll drink it. He may not like it, but it won't do him any harm. Seems a really stupid thing to get worked up about.
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+11

Is this thread all about the principle that the clever child isn't allowed to drink their flavoured water?
 
Dis86 said:
Out of curiousity, why wouldn't you count fruits and vegetables? My learning was that they are a source of fluids. Is it simply that you can't quantify intake due to natural variation in fluid levels and the fact that for humans pure fruit/vegetable consumption without other fluids would result in a nasty case of the runs?
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Yes, you are correct you wouldn't really be able to quantify the amount if you were measuring a strict fluid balance say in a medical setting. But the issue is also how the body handles the sugar at the same time and the potential knock on effect when that occurs.

If you are wondering how you get the homeostatic balance then it's:

(SQRT (height cm * weight kg / 3600)) * 400 + // Insensible losses
weight * 24 // Sufficient renal output
 
Well at this moment in time he needs fluid like everyone else and he is getting this by drinking squash at such a diluted ratio it just takes the horrible taste of plain water away . Some people saying should drink water as you need it etc , He is and he is lucky enough to have a parent that earns money so he can have something a little exotic like orange flavour in it :eek:

Some people acting like I don't give him a drink or encourage him are talking out of there ass as I have never not encouraged him to keep trying it and getting fairly annoyed with it now to be honest .

Saying that I should get him to drink it etc by not offering him any other drink till he is in need of a drink are abusing their children !!! Might starve him for a day and make him eat tomatoes as he will eat it if he truly is hungry - some of you need to get a grip .

At the end of it all , he drinks water , he just has a little flavour in it . Maybe should stick him on all these fizzy cakes etc like a lot of other parents !!!!!!
 
Can't believe this has reached page 10! Sadly life is full of little rules we don't like sometimes we have to just suck it up and do things we don't like give him water and move on.
 
I think all the keyboard warriors need to calm down a bit here :p

Our sons school has similar rules and if you contact them to find out the reasons for such rules you might actually realise why they are there.

For instance....

My son isn't allowed Birthday cakes (in case there isn't enough to hand out and kids get offended), chocolate, sweets, fizzy drinks, cakes with icing or chews/jelly beans or squash/dilute juice. The main reason being obviously because it is just a pile of chemicals - but also (as the school has stated) due to the fact the dining area doubles as the main hall / sports area and assembly area (and they don't want the floor sticky)

He is also not allowed any drinks (no water / juice of any kind / cartons or plastic sports bottles) when he goes to football in the said school in the evening :eek: So every Thursday - I pick my son up sweating - dying of thirst after 90 minutes of footy as he wasn't allowed any water.

The reason being is that if they spill any drinks in the sports halls and someone slips - the said school can then be held liable (as it's out of school hours) - as the caretaker isn't there to go moping it up at 8pm.

Yes - it is health and safety gone mad.... but you can thank all the idiot parents who think their kids are angels and everyone else should take the blame for their stupidity.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
Can't believe this has reached page 10! Sadly life is full of little rules we don't like sometimes we have to just suck it up and do things we don't like give him water and move on.
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Rules are there for our benefit ! not because someone just wants us to do something .

He will not drink water on it own just like some people will not drink beer . People have choices and rules are there to safeguard us not take away our choices
 
The lad should really be having 1.75l per day. Therefore, if he has say 500mls pre school - 500 at lunch - 500 tea - 250 pre bed then he does not really need much more.
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Why does he need 1.75L when an adult only needs 1.5L? Doesn't make sense.

Look, a kid needs between four and six glasses of water (in whatever form) a day, full stop. They do not need to be sipping water constantly and there is no health benefits from consuming more than this amount. If you're giving you child a drink with each meal then that is pretty much the hydration covered; especially as most kids will grab a few drinks here and there when they get home anyway.

He very rarely makes bad choices this is the thing , He is so smart it is crazy .
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*Facepalm*

I am sure you're a adequate parent, so don't take this as a criticism of your parenting skills, but simply of the statement I quote:

Intelligence does not determine whether someone makes good or bad choices. Smart people are just as prone to big mistakes as absolute morons. Suggesting that your child very rarely makes bad choices shows a level of delusion so grand, that it bestrides the internet like a colossus. He'll be making bad choices all of the time, guaranteed.

Also, giving him the choice of squash or water is not such a big deal, but making a big fuss about him not getting HIS choice is daft. He's a kid! He is subordinate to the choices of adults who are responsible for him; in this case his teachers. If you take his side over the teachers, you're just going to give him a precious complex where thinks HIS choices are all that matter.
 
Ofcourse he makes bad choices . You should see his dress sense of shoes , shorts and a shirt lol .

But on the big choices he is very smart about them . He choices to drink squash because he doesn't like plain water . I wouldn't say this is a choice as such though it is more of a personal preference against something that makes his mouth feel disgust at a flavour
 
I personally Hate the taste of water and so i agree 100% with what you are saying however the majority seem to be misreading things or blaming you which is quite frankly ridiculous. I would not force someone to drink something they didn't like however i would encourage them to try it first which you have done and so you know that your son doesn't like tap water which is perfectly fine in my opinion. There is no reason why he should have to take just tap water to school and therefore be dehydrated for most of the day whilst he is at school.
 
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Skywalker said:
Ofcourse he makes bad choices . You should see his dress sense of shoes , shorts and a shirt lol .

But on the big choices he is very smart about them . He choices to drink squash because he doesn't like plain water . I wouldn't say this is a choice as such though it is more of a personal preference against something that makes his mouth feel disgust at a flavour
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Clean water has the same taste as will already be in his mouth. He can't possibly not like it unless he hates his own mouth. Tap water can have an odd taste because of chlorine etc that is added, in which case, as i've already said provide mineral or spring water. Water is physically tasteless.
 
The fact the school will not allow squash is absolutely pathetic, personally I would book an appointment with the head and find out why they have such a ridiculous rule.

For people to say its all about diet is plain stupid, a drink of squash is not a risk to huge weight gain.

My lads school does not ban drinks, they can take squash if they like, it is more important to be drinking the fluids than worrying over a small amount of squash concentrate!
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Why does he need 1.75L when an adult only needs 1.5L? Doesn't make sense.
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It depends what you mean by "need". There is a difference between what is required for homeostasis and what is required to maintain an adequate glomerular filtration rate. The figure of "1.5" you are quoting there equates to the "1.1" I detailed ie less.
 
Skywalker said:
He very rarely makes bad choices this is the thing , He is so smart it is crazy.

Since being at this school he has been bullied , beaten up and teased because of his size as he is such a well built lad and his intelligence . He doesn't fight back because he knows violence at school is not accepted .
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Holy cow - is he Superman?! :eek:
 
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