Killers' life terms 'breached their human rights'

[Freakbro]

The thing is why should he? Why should have have the right to go back into society and live a normal life? Its not like it was an accident that killed his family...he killed 5 people. Murder. Cant get much worse that that for an ordinary person

Because, for the millionth time on these forums with discussions regarding the justice system, it is not there for punitive punishment based on emotive feelings of revenge.

The element of rehabilitation is an important factor within our system, and all this ruling is saying is you cannot override that principle.

This is not to say they might not still serve a full life term anyway.

 

[molinari]

No ray of hope for the victims....so no ray of hope for the perpetrator. Simple really.

Yes, I start to agree with this but then...

Because a life term without the possibility of parole precludes any notion of rehabilitation.

I do believe that rehabilitation is not possible for some people as they are simply "wired" as they are, but each case/prisoner should be looked at individually.

 

[AJK]

Because, for the millionth time on these forums with discussions regarding the justice system, it is not there for punitive punishment based on emotive feelings of revenge.

"Based on emotive feelings of revenge", no (in theory), but of course the prison system is there as punitive punishment.

 

[Twirlywoos]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23230419

What the hell?!?!

The EU Court of Human rights have now deemed that whole life sentences are a breach of human rights for prisoners and there has to be a possibility of release and a review of the sentence carried out so that the convicted have a 'ray of hope' or some such...

Jeremy Bamber is one of these convicted criminals which are on a whole life tariffs. He killed 5 people in the White House Farm murders (link)

Why does this guy even think that he should have a hope of being released after what he has done??

Human rights gone mad again? I think so...what does GD think?

Should convicted murders/ criminals have the right to a 'hope' of release when they are serving whole life sentences and been told that they will live out their days in prison?

this is why the UK should give the middle finger to the EU and their dippy laws. What about the rights of the victim and their family? No wonder vigilante justice is preferred nowadays and an "eye for an eye" probably is looking more favourable!!!!

 

[Freakbro]

I do believe that rehabilitation is not possible for some people as they are simply "wired" as they are, but each case/prisoner should be looked at individually.

Then in that case they would not be released, simples.

But you still need to periodically assess them.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Then in that case they would not be released, simples.

But you still need to periodically assess them.

They may well have assessed these chaps that we're discussing.

 

[bam0]

I'm not sure about this, on the one hand the idea that rehabilitation is inherent in the penal system is something I support, yet I also think the State Justice system should have the option to impose full-life sentences in certain circumstances.

Each case really needs to made on an individual basis rather than having blanket rules imposed by the ECHR.

If you believe the prison should involve rehabilitation how do you also support the full life sentences? That's not to say that any of these people should actually be let out, only that it seems appropriate that their circumstances are reviewable.

 

[deuse]

Bring back hanging. Then these human rights softies can pee off

 

[koolpc]

I take it you have never been locked up in a high security prison then?

Not me but a relative has.


Can you cite any evidence that says they can't?

Can you cite where a mass murderer has?



What, putting more people out of work that currently 'build stuff' already?

 

[The Geezer]

Typical sensationalist headline.

They were appealing for a case review rather than release.

 

[koolpc]

Because, for the millionth time on these forums with discussions regarding the justice system, it is not there for punitive punishment based on emotive feelings of revenge.

The element of rehabilitation is an important factor within our system, and all this ruling is saying is you cannot override that principle.

This is not to say they might not still serve a full life term anyway.

Everyone knows that 'rehabilitation' hardly ever works! Prisons are a breeding ground for criminals to savvy up on their 'art' etc etc.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Everyone knows that 'rehabilitation' hardly ever works! Prisons are a breeding ground for criminals to savvy up on their 'art' etc etc.

No they don't, we just don't seem to be willing to give it a proper try in England. If you check the statistics, you'll find that the countries with the lowest rate of recidivism, which is what prisons should aim for, are those with the best rehabilitation programmes.

In England we're just too stubborn/lazy and clogged up with minor offenders to make the necessary changes to the system to ensure that prisoners are actually rehabilitated, like in Sweden, for example.

That's not to say that prison isn't a criminal's university.

 

[The Geezer]

Everyone knows that 'rehabilitation' hardly ever works! Prisons are a breeding ground for criminals to savvy up on their 'art' etc etc.

Have you looked at whether rehabilition is a key deliverable from our prison service ?

How can it be delivered if the prisoners are locked up for 20+ hours a day ?

 

[Castiel]

If you believe the prison should involve rehabilitation how do you also support the full life sentences? That's not to say that any of these people should actually be let out, only that it seems appropriate that their circumstances are reviewable.

Because sentencing should be about rehabilitation and about punishment for the crime committed. It isn't an either or situation. In certain circumstances I can see why a sentence should involve removing a persons liberty for the rest of their life if the crime committed was heinous enough to warrant it...that should not mean that the person should not have access to rehabilitate themselves and come to terms with what they have done, it simply means that the punishment portion of the sentence reflects the seriousness of the crime.

 

[James J]

You have to give long sentence prisoners are review otherwise you remove any morality left in them. Someone who has absolutely nothing to lose is far more dangerous and eager to harm others than someone with something to lose.

 

[Dr Jack]

Because a life term without the possibility of parole precludes any notion of rehabilitation.

This isn't saying they can't be locked up for their entire lives, it just means they need periodic assessment to see if rehabilitation has worked and they are safe to release into society again.

Yeah, this.

Why do we want to be wasting our money locking up people who are safe to release anyway?

 

[koolpc]

Give them something challenging to do like digging another channel tunnel by hand!

 

[ChrisJSY]

Because a life term without the possibility of parole precludes any notion of rehabilitation.

This isn't saying they can't be locked up for their entire lives, it just means they need periodic assessment to see if rehabilitation has worked and they are safe to release into society again.

I don't see the problem?

My problem with the idea of rehabilitation is why do they deserve this chance in the first place? Also, by "they" I mean those who commit to most heinous crimes. I really does bother me. It's my opinion that those in the classes of at least murderers resign their right to freedom for taking that future away from another.

Yeah, this.

Why do we want to be wasting our money locking up people who are safe to release anyway?

This.

This is what I don't understand, you think it's perfectly normal to let someone out because over a course of time they're now safe?
What kind of ridiculous and fairytale land are you living in? You think a person who gets caught and imprisoned won't try and check all the boxes when being reviewed at the likelyhood of a release?

/yuck.

 

[starfighter]

The people who he killed have no ray of hope, why the **** should he.

 

[koolpc]

We should throw away the key to the murderers, rapist, pedos etc. I don't care what others think. The law in this country is at its lowest where crims know they will have an easy time behind bars. People like those on here saying they should have this and that are whats making this country soft and an easy target.