Poll: Syrian Chemical Weapon Attack

[Freakbro]

So then it had nothing to do with intelligence whatsoever and therefore criticism of intelligence on the Syria question has no basis. Unless you're suggesting Obama wanted to invade Syria all along...?

It has everything to do with intelligence, and the way information from the intelligence services is represented.

In any event, I don't have any problem with what happened in Iraq. We removed a dictator who was brutally subjugating his own people and secured access to oil which our economies needed. It was a win for us, and in the long run will be a win for Iraq.

You're entitled to your opinion.

The fact Bush had to (allegedly) peddle a story about a threat to our own nations is simply evidence of the inherit weakness of the democratic system.

You don't seem to comprehend very well. Bush didn't peddle the story, he didn't need any justification. It was Blair who took this piece of information our intelligence services had, and then willfully ignored the part where they were saying it wasn't reliable or confirmed and represented to the House as solid evidence, to lead us into a debatably illegal war.

And this has everything to do with what is happening in Syria now, as a lot of the general populous have lost faith in what they are being told in situations like this, especially when it is coming from information from our security services.

 

[kash786]

The Americans/British are so full of sh**, it's laughable. It's absolutely fine for them to use "chemical weapons" in Iraq (e.g. Depleted Uranium) but god forbid any other country using them.

This whole scenario is just a pre-text to war, which the war warmongering west has been pushing for quite a while. The west will never learn.

American Imperialism at it's finest!

 

[Efour]

innit

 

[Danthus]

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if the UN inspectors find that a chemical weapon was used Hague will spin it as proof that Assad pulled the trigger.

 

[LuckyCharms]

This is all building up to a war against Iran and possibly WW3.

Zionists joos

Do people know David Cameron, Osborne and Hague all are of Jewish ancestry? Heck even Osborne's first name was Gideon (hebrew) then they changed it to George because it's less Jewish lmao.


It's time people start questioning who these leaders of ours are and who are the people they serve. Stop pulling the anti-Semitic and holocaust card, that's exactly why the holocaust was part of the Zionist agenda (Rabbi's have said this, not me) because ever since the holocaust terrible atrocities continue to be committed by our governments and when those people responsible are exposed they are quickly shut down as being anti-Semitic. It's crazy that people think this dislike of Jews comes out of nowhere, it has nothing to do with crimes they are committing with the help of us.

Please check http://www.realjewnews.com/ run by Brother Nathanael Kapner. He was born and raised Jewish, by Jewish law he is still Jewish despite converting. Anti-Semitic self hating Jew or just someone who is trying to help expose crimes that these people are committing?

 

[Totality]

I really hope this time, if the USA and UK go to war illegally outside of the UN, that China and Russia actually do something back. It's about time the USA and UK stopped trying to be world police when the people don't want the wars.

 

[kash786]

This is all building up to a war against Iran and possibly WW3.

Zionists joos

Do people know David Cameron, Osborne and Hague all are of Jewish ancestry? Heck even Osborne's first name was Gideon (hebrew) then they changed it to George because it's less Jewish lmao.


It's time people start questioning who these leaders of ours are and who are the people they serve. Stop pulling the anti-Semitic and holocaust card, that's exactly why the holocaust was part of the Zionist agenda (Rabbi's have said this, not me) because ever since the holocaust terrible atrocities continue to be committed by our governments and when those people responsible are exposed they are quickly shut down as being anti-Semitic. It's crazy that people think this dislike of Jews comes out of nowhere, it has nothing to do with crimes they are committing with the help of us.

Please check http://www.realjewnews.com/ run by Brother Nathanael Kapner. He was born and raised Jewish, by Jewish law he is still Jewish despite converting. Anti-Semitic self hating Jew or just someone who is trying to help expose crimes that these people are committing?

Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism are two totally separate things. A de-stable middle-east is in the best interests of Israel, there's no question about that.

 

[Elrein]

I really hope this time, if the USA and UK go to war illegally outside of the UN, that China and Russia actually do something back. It's about time the USA and UK stopped trying to be world police when the people don't want the wars.

The UK only stick their nose in when the USA tells them too. War means money to the US and the 1st thing they do with that money is make more body bags for the soldiers they send in.
Remove the ban on nukes and lets get things done properly, all these Middle East places would look so much better in the shape of a glass bowl!

 

[XPE]

Some of the people in here, got out those foil hats!

 

[Schlong&Stable]

You don't seem to comprehend very well. Bush didn't peddle the story, he didn't need any justification. It was Blair who took this piece of information our intelligence services had, and then willfully ignored the part where they were saying it wasn't reliable or confirmed and represented to the House as solid evidence, to lead us into a debatably illegal war.

And this has everything to do with what is happening in Syria now, as a lot of the general populous have lost faith in what they are being told in situations like this, especially when it is coming from information from our security services.

Bush needed the justification far more than Blair did. Our PM can declare war without the approval of Parliament, whereas Bush cannot do so without the support of the Senate/Congress.

The main driving force behind the WMD claim was Bush, because it was the issue upon which his administration was agreed justified the invasion. However it was not the only issue and the fact they found only limited evidence of chemical weapons doesn't mean the war was not justified.

Blair and co are certainly guilty of 'sexing up' the evidence, but there is nothing to say they did not genuinely believe there was a WMD threat. They thought there was a threat and tried to bolster the credibility to get a mandate from the public. That is what governments do.

The general populous are pretty ignorant of these issues and just parrot the headlines from the Guardian and the Sun. I'm not too concerned about what they think truth to tell. Blair was reelected after the Iraq war, so clearly people aren't too concerned with this sort of thing.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Why do you say that? If they announce that they have lost chemical weapons to the rebels, then it would cast suspicion on the rebels.

If they have lost control its more like that western governments plus Israel would want to take control of their chemical weapons sites to better secure. If Their armed forces can't secure them its an open invitation.... What would you do if you was PM.... Chemical weapons in the hands of rebels and Al Qaeda then on the streets of major western cities....

 

[[TW]Fox]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23845765

It is understood the most likely military response to Wednesday's suspected chemical weapons attack would be a one-off or limited guided missile strikes on Syrian military targets fired from US Navy warships.

Doesn't exactly sound like an all-out war Iraq or Afghanistan style, does it?

Infact Israel have already done similar months ago anyway.

It seems more about being symbolic and not losing face, which hardly sounds great.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Question, does Syria have oil?

 

[Danthus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23845765



Doesn't exactly sound like an all-out war Iraq or Afghanistan style, does it?

Infact Israel have already done similar months ago anyway.

It seems more about being symbolic and not losing face, which hardly sounds great.

That is the thing isn't it, either wilfully or stupidly the UK and the US have backed themselves into a corner, the consequences of which could be very dangerous.

 

[dunker]

dunno, has a gas pipeline i think though.

 

[StriderX]

Well here we go, how many billions do we squander this time?

 

[Craig1981]

Question, does Syria have oil?

Wow. I just did a google serch to find that out. I got as far as "Does S" and it autofilled out to "Does Syria have oil" as the top result.

Anyway apparantly yes they do. According to Wikipedia:

Syria is the only significant crude oil producing country in the Eastern Mediterranean region, which includes Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. According to the Oil and Gas Journal, Syria had 2,500,000,000 barrels (400,000,000 m3) of petroleum reserves as of 1 January 2010.[32] Syria's known oil reserves are mainly in the eastern part of the country in the Deir ez-Zor Governorate near its border with Iraq and along the Euphrates River; a number of smaller fields are located in the center of the country.[33] In 2010, Syria produced around 385,000 barrels (61,200 m3) per day of crude oil.[30][31] Oil production has stabilized after falling for a number of years, and is poised to turn around as new fields come on line. In 2008, Syria produced 187 billion cubic feet (5.3×109 m3) of natural gas, and two years later in 2010, it increased production to 275×10^9 cu ft (7.8×109 m3).

 

[dunker]

few bombs, cheaper gas, win win. would could go wrong? heh

 

[[TW]Fox]

Syria doesn't have huge amounts of oil but presumably it will be seen to have enough for market speculators to cause a surge in the price of crude, costing us all more money as a result

 

[Schlong&Stable]

The US is soon going to be the largest producer of gas and oil in the world thanks to their Shale revolution. They have also been quite reticent to get involved in Syria. Do you really think this is over oil?