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AMD To Commence Mass Shipping of Hawaii GPU in Early October

Kaapstad said:
Now you can volt mod them to 1.3v that might be difficult (it makes buying a 780 lightning or classified a bit pointless) unless AMD want to come in at a higher price with a bigger chip.

It all depends which way AMD want to go.
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It's got to match a stock 780 or AMD isn't going to bother. A new series with the top end graphics card that performs worse than nvidia's top end one (ignoring the Titan) would be terrible marketing. I think it'll be £350ish, £400 max.
 
teppic said:
It's got to match a stock 780 or AMD isn't going to bother. A new series with the top end graphics card that performs worse than nvidia's top end one (ignoring the Titan) would be terrible marketing. I think it'll be £350ish, £400 max.
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The 6970 didn't match, let alone outperform the 580, and came out after.
That said, price was lower, and an improvement in price/performance over their 58XX (Which should be the case generation by generation)

AMD even had to delay their 6970 launch 2 weeks as the shroud didn't fit, so the initial lot of 6970's had sanded PCI-E connectors :p
 
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AMD's got their GPU act together now :) The 9970 wouldn't need a massive boost from an overclocked 7970 to reach the GTX 780. They'd be idiots to release a 9970 that can't keep up with nvidia's current models.
 
AMD in many peoples opinions had their GPU act spot on with the 5870.
Came out and killed the GTX285 and was 300 quid, the 5850 came out at 200 quid, representing excellent price/performance and were the best cards you could buy.

With the 69XX AMD improved their price/performance and looked at some issues of their 58XX, such as the VRAM figure and then the tessellation.

AMD 5970 was a beast of a card as was the 6990, AMD's crossfire scaling was pretty good too.

They lost the plot slightly when they launched the 7XXX, it's now a lot better.
But one can only think they're going to go backwards with the 9XXX.
 
teppic said:
It's got to match a stock 780 or AMD isn't going to bother. A new series with the top end graphics card that performs worse than nvidia's top end one (ignoring the Titan) would be terrible marketing. I think it'll be £350ish, £400 max.
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It will definitely match a stock GTX 780 at the very least.

In my previous post I was referring to overvolting Titans with 1.3v which makes the new non ref 780 lightnings and classifieds a bit pointless now.
 
Kaapstad said:
It will definitely match a stock GTX 780 at the very least.

In my previous post I was referring to overvolting Titans with 1.3v which makes the new non ref 780 lightnings and classifieds a bit pointless now.
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question is die size, if they go bigger like 470mm2 or so then it be a beast
 
Interested to see max OC GTX 780 VS max OC X970.. Can AMD really release a chip that can match an OC GTX 780?

I will be seriously impressed, check the pixel and texture fillrate below, can AMD really match / beat this?

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I'm just hoping it might reduce 780 prices

a 780 for 420-450 would be great

current prices - I can afford - but I can't justify dumping 500 on a GPU that will be worth pennies in a few years time - not when my current card (570 heavily overclocked) runs 95% of all new titles just fine at 1080p with AA
 
Kaapstad said:
It does not matter how NVidia pay for them, bigger chips equal lower yields equals more expensive chips.
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Yes it did with the Fermi. Nvidia paid for a fixed number of chips and per chip,not per wafer. The usual agreement with AMD and Nvidia is that they pay for whole wafers not the individual chips from the wafer. They have to take the hit for poor yields.

However,Nvidia managed to change this for Fermi by blaming their yield issues on TSMC,who gave into them for some reason.

It meant that TSMC ended up taking most of the cost of the poor Fermi yields not Nvidia. It also meant Nvidia could get away with making a huge, poor yielding GPU on the TSMC 40NM process,without the risks of having to pay for a massive amount of wafers themselves.

However,with the 28NM process they had to go back to paying per wafer,and the wafers were more expensive than 40NM ones,so hence you can see why the GK110 based cards cost so much when compared to the GF100 and GF110 based cards,and they were introduced quite late compared to the midrange chips. Nvidia has to pay for any poor yields this time around.
 
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cainer said:
9850 = 7950 rebadge
9870 = 7970 rebadge
9950 = Hawaii 20nm >780
9970 = Hawaii 20nm >Titan

any chance of that?
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I would be surprised.

AMD haven't been in the flagship camp for a long time. They always target volume value.

The market for Titans is quite small even with a decent mark up these cards don't make big bucks.

I expect AMD to launch with % increment on the existing 79xx cards. Titan was hyped to be amazing then was 30% above the 680..... this will be likely be more of the same at a price to drive some competition at the upper mid range which is good news for us.

Nvidia will launch the Titan+ to ensure a sufficient gap is maintained from their flagship to the upper mid range where the price competition is at as the AMD cards will be a little too close to 780/Titan to justify the Nvidia pricing.

I would expect comparable performance when OC'd well above the reference clocks.


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