*** iPhone 5S/5C - September 10th ***

Wouldn't you need to have the phone smudge free though for it to work correctly? Also what about rain, its a bit of a pain sometimes when my finger a little bit wet, the touchscreen does not work correctly.

Its all guess work atm, until its tested by a consumer we have no idea!
 
Somnambulist said:
What they're doing with Touch ID is planting a seed - you can use your fingerprint to unlock your phone and use as verification for iTunes purchases. Innocent enough, but... "the iPhone 5S is our most forward thinking iPhone yet" - I think was the quote - what Apple have done, IMO, is tackle a security issue (because people will, for better or worse think that Touch ID is all super secure) that paves the way for them to enter the NFC market in the future with their own verification system. I bet in a few years you'll be able to use Touch ID in and at all sorts of sites and places.
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Indeed. Touch ID + iOS 7 anti-theft is a win for security.
 
jonneymendoza said:
As excellent as Siri?

i personaly dont think it will be efficient but we'll see
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You don't think? Or do you just hope? :p

Sometimes I think people just moan about Apple for the sake for it. I don't see why Siri was your example of a failure, it wasn't that bad at the release time (and remember it was released under "beta" conditions). If you wanted an example of failure, you should have said Apple Maps, which was a disaster :p

From the looks of it, it looks pretty accurate. But as others have said, we'll have to wait until release to see if there is any consumer worries to be had...
 
Raymond Lin said:
I am guessing, and hoping, that during R&D testing, they hit rate for this fingerprint unlock is above 90%. To release something like this and for it to only work only 50% of the time would be premature.

But if it's not that accurate, hopefully it only need an software update to fix any bugs.
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The touch company Apple purchased were amongst the best for fingerprint technology.

You can train the phone to "learn" a number of fingers, so I don't see it being an issue.
 
The fingerprint unlock feature won't be on the phones unless it works, that's just the Apple way. It's not some stupid thing that needs your finger swiping over it that then feeds some awful third party software and types a password for you, like every other fingerprint scanning implementation that's ever been put onto a laptop or a mobile phone. You can register multiple fingers in case you cut your thumb really deep.

It's clear that Apple aren't the first people to use a fingerprint to access a phone, however I think it's probably the first time it won't be instantly disabled by people due to it simply not functioning.
 
Skyboat said:
Steve Ballmer's quote of claiming you need to be a computer scientist to use an Android phone amused me.

Mainly because I AM a computer scientist :D

Also WP8 doesn't get enough love :(
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I'd take Windows Phone on a Nokia over the utter mess that is Android on a flimsy Samsung any day.

Edit: Double post. That's what I get for reading the thread backwards.
 
All the hands on impressions say that the fingerprint recognition is excellent and it doesn't take long for the phone to get enough info from the finger/thumb you use for it to work seamlessly.

Yes, they're not the first company to have fingerprint scanners, just like they didn't have the first touch screen, or the first tablet. What they will be is the first company (yet again) to bring it to a lot of people and create a buzz about it. Biometric security will no doubt take off with all sorts of companies trying to do it and in a few years people will just take it for granted.

Btw, vid of how quickly it works:
 
I think it looks pretty awesome, I have to use a pass code due to the security policy at work and having exchange configured for email. This will be much better.
 
Dont think the iphone4 has the hardware to support Siri from what i recall someone saying on here a little while back.

Plus i dont think ios7 will be available for the iphone4 as it is. You would have to move up to the iphone4s at least.
 
iPhone 4 will receive iOS7. But not Siri.

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I was thinking about going for this, but I've decided to just stick with my 5, my iPad 2 on the other hand could well be up for upgrade in the very near future.
 
Sunbed said:
Interesting theory.

I've owned an NFC enabled phone for several years now, waiting for the technology to take off because I can't wait to ditch the majority of the cards in my wallet. After a while I realised it wasn't going to happen unless Apple did something with it, because they have a knack of marketing these things and generating the necessary hype etc.

So, I hope you're right and this Touch ID stuff is the beginning of true mobile payments. Obviously I'd rather have a standard over some proprietary Apple system, but if used in conjunction with NFC then I'm fine with that.
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Apple have no interest in NFC - hence why they included iBeacon in IOS7.
 
I don't think there were any hardware limitations with Siri for the iPhone 4 apart from the sluggish UI, it was definitely more to make it exclusive to the 4S at the time as another reason to buy or upgrade.

Also I read a lot of the transparency effects are absent on iOS 7 running on the iPhone 4, probably due to the older hardware.
 
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